Are the doors too expensive? Calculation of house costs

  • Erstellt am 2012-11-24 21:27:37

Massivhaus85

2012-11-24 21:27:37
  • #1
Hello everyone,

I am new here. I am already towards the end of my house planning and wanted to make sure if my calculation is correct. Or rather, what you think about it. I have gathered the prices myself. (Partly obtained offers, partly searched on the internet, partly talked to people).

Facts about the house and land:
Plot size: 808m² => already owned by me
Living area: 180m²
Double garage (extended to 9m to gain an additional parking space).
Double garage with basement
2 full floors
Hip roof

Position
Construction site setup 1350€
Earthworks 6436€
Sewer works 1837€
Reinforced concrete works 45599€
Masonry works 36609€
Insulation works 4318€
Plastering works 22966€ (inside and outside)
Heating 25000€ (air/water heat pump + underfloor heating)
Tiled stove 13000€ (as a room divider between dining and living room)
Ventilation system 8000€ (central)
Electrical 8000€
Floor coverings 17000€
Painting works 5000€
Sanitary 13000€ (incl. fixtures)
Windows 21000€
Doors 18000€ (interior doors, front door, garage door)
Kitchen 15000€
Outdoor facilities 8000€
Roof 10000€ (here I only calculated the wood and roof shingles, I’m doing the rest myself :cool

Net total 284,532.40€
VAT 54,061.20€

Total 338,594€

What do you think? Is this okay like that?

Thank you very much!

Kind regards
Massivhaus85
 

Landler

2012-11-24 21:52:23
  • #2
It looks roughly the same for me. For me, everything is just a bit more expensive since we have 250sqm living space and 60sqm garage.

What only seems expensive to me in your list are the doors.
 

heltino

2012-11-25 01:09:20
  • #3
The doors also seem very expensive to me. For 162sqm, we needed 13 interior doors. Cost including installation (not junk, good mid-range) 3500 euros. Plus a front door for 5000 euros including side element. What exactly is supposed to cause a slim 10,000 euro additional cost for this construction project? Solid interior doors for 1000 euros each? At the same time, the "canalization works" seem way too cheap to me. What exactly does that mean? We were lucky because we didn’t have to build inspection shafts (the municipal one is only one meter in front of the property) and had only 3 meters of pipe length. The whole thing cost, just for drainage, a slim 5,000 euros. 2300 euros construction cost subsidy to the city, 2700 euros for our own rainwater and greywater installation on the property. The neighbor had to build inspection shafts due to distance and therefore paid around 3000 euros more.
 

Massivhaus85

2012-11-25 13:32:02
  • #4
@heltino: are you referring to net or gross?
I have quotes (however from prefab house builders) where the position interior doors is listed at about €8000 net.
Front door with 2 side elements about €5000
I estimate the garage door at €2500-3000
Then everything plus tax.
I have also included a buffer.

Have I forgotten any items to calculate or is this about right? So that I can move in afterwards...

The stairs should be a wooden staircase... That will be added... or can I hide that in the other costs?

Thank you very much!
 

heltino

2012-11-25 14:19:41
  • #5


That’s hard to say in general, it always depends on exactly what you’re looking for and what you install. As a rough orientation, here’s what I paid for these trades (individual contracts, no house manufacturer!): Interior door €220 (simple variant, basement) up to €350 (fancier variant for living rooms). Each price net including installation and complete with frame. Front door: high-quality branded plastic door including 60cm glass element on the left and 50cm glass element above. The whole thing with stainless steel applications, a 1m long stainless steel handle, and laminated safety glass (VSG). Final cost after tough negotiation: €3200 (GROSS!!!). Staircase to the attic (the rest is concrete for me): two-stringer staircase with finger-jointed beech wood, railing and installation: €2600 (gross!). My house builder went bankrupt during the construction phase, so I had to continue with individual contracts. And you’d be surprised how much money you can save! Example wooden staircase: I took the same staircase from the same manufacturer (!) and got it €2000 cheaper than the house manufacturer had "calculated". Example windows: I got better ones (0.5 insulation, fully insulated electric aluminum shutters) €1600 cheaper than planned by the house manufacturer (he had 0.9 insulation, plastic shutters with manual strap guide). He calculated €18,000, I paid €16,400 (gross) including RAL installation by the window installer. Your garage door is very generously calculated, check online. Then you get a feeling for the prices. German brand products can be found at about €1000, with electric drive about €1700... as a simple up-and-over door variant from €500. I did not consider cheap shipping goods and always planned and bought well-known brands, installed by a professional company. I had EVERYTHING done by local specialist companies including installation and warranty, no cheap junk! Since I don’t know exactly what you plan and want, I can only give hard-to-give concrete advice. The range is simply huge. A front door can cost between €700 (DIY store junk) and €12,000 (aluminum PREMIUM-DESIGN-SOMETHING)...and we’re only talking about the term "front door" in both cases. Caution is also advised when choosing the heating! The marketed "heat pump" is not always the best solution. Air heat pumps are not always economically sensible, many also make a lot of noise that you then get to enjoy on the terrace. Geothermal variants often cost so much extra due to drilling that you cannot save the extra costs within 20 years. I had a specialist company and a heating manufacturer come to the construction site and then determined the most sensible solution for me using a heat demand calculation and KFW documents. I then bought gas condensing boiler with underfloor heating, 400-liter solar storage and well-planned circuit control. Costs me about €150 more per year in gas consumption but saved between €6,000 and €12,000 on the heating system compared to various heat pump variants. (Calculate yourself how long you have to heat until you just break even. The fairy tale of "independence from gas prices" is told by everyone, but nobody voluntarily tells you that a heat pump permanently needs electricity (€50-80 per month) and must also electrically heat at very low temperatures.) I now have something (not yet moved in, so based on calculations) between €50 and €70 per month in gas costs. The neighbor has a groundwater heat pump and so far uses about €40 per month on electricity on average. But he hasn't experienced a harsh winter yet. Looking at that... it’s never profitable. Even if he were to save a consistent €30 per month... he paid €8000 more. Without interest, you simply need 22 years to save the additional costs! In general, you have to be very careful with these "eco stories," many are a money pit. Savings are often advertised, the additional costs and the resulting time until something pays off... are always nicely calculated. Remember: every heating system, no matter which, is 20 years old and possibly ready for replacement. So if you only recoup your extra costs after 18 or 20 years based on a theoretical projection... forget it. But you can talk endlessly about that, I advise you to generally inform yourself on the internet. Forums, experiences of other home buyers... the direct manufacturer pages (windows, doors, bathroom ceramics, etc.). Then, although you won’t be a professional like me either, you can hold your own, understand what it’s about, and have a feeling for whether prices are justified or not. But don’t get stuck on small stuff like "interior doors," that’s not a big cost factor by God and has only limited potential for hidden costs. Cost traps basically lurk in two areas: 1. In the construction contract (what is not precisely described and included, you haven’t bought!) 2. With the land (soil survey must be done BEFOREHAND (about €1000 which is worth it, so you avoid nasty surprises like groundwater, soil replacement due to bearing capacity, etc.), inquire about and have the exact development calculated (length of connection paths, how is the sewage issue regulated). We had a soil survey done, knew we had groundwater and needed a waterproof concrete tank, knew we had partly clay soil... so we only had marginal additional costs. I have to check, but it should have been about as follows: €1000 for pre-screening in the garage driveway area, €2400 "proportional development contribution for the sewer" to the city, €2800 open water management during the construction phase. That was another almost €6-7k in additional costs. Without a report, ask my neighbor who wanted to save the €1000, you’re at the mercy of the builder as a cash cow. During construction, he then finds many "couldn’t have known" items and cashes in like a champion. Therefore, the soil report must happen before signing the contract and the building contract must specifically refer to it!
 

heltino

2012-11-25 14:20:26
  • #6
sorry for the terrible text, somehow I couldn't edit it in the browser. Damn Windows 8
 

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