Which combo includes cleaning and painting work?

Hello everyone,

we are building a 2-story house with a converted attic (some work for the DB will take place later), including a controlled residential ventilation system.

About the plaster:

I am currently leaning towards lime-cement plaster. A friendly architect recommended clay plaster for the living rooms, which I find interesting, but it is supposed to be significantly more expensive.

Area for plastering: approx. 550 sqm = approx. €7500

About the painting work:

I will have the ceilings (191 sqm) done, i.e., filling joints and then plastering. I wanted to just paint the walls (455 sqm without the attic), possibly plastering beforehand.

Called 2 painters, both recommend using fleece on the ceilings and walls because of cracks.

Painter A:
- Covering work
- Remove ceiling formwork release agent
- Priming = prime areas with water-dilutable primer
- Close ceiling joints with fabric
- Plastering = plaster walls to Q3. Full-surface coverage and smoothing of the surface with gypsum plaster, then sanding the surface.
- Wallpapering = wallpaper prepared surface with fleece wallpaper, butt-jointed (fleece wallpaper 180g)
- Painting = paint ceilings/walls twice with dispersion paint.

Wet abrasion resistance: Class 2
Coverage: Class 1
Gloss level: matt

His price = €15,000

Painter B:
- Fill joints 3 times.
- Glue fleece to ceilings and paint twice
- Set corners
- Plaster walls plus glue fleece and paint twice

His price: €13,000

Possible own contribution = I trust myself to do the painting, I painted our current apartment myself, I think with Painter A I can remove the painting, with Painter B that is not possible.

Question:
Regarding plaster: should I stick with lime-cement? I find clay plaster interesting, a plasterer told me on the phone: clay is more expensive, but the painter possibly has less work because of it.

Regarding the painting work: is fleece really useful (another painter said: cracks come anyway)? Is painting yourself reasonable or better to have it done?

I want all walls in white, want no frills.

Thanks to you all!!!

Nothing going on here! Not even pseudo wisdom.

Clay is not wallpapered. In that case, you can also do without clay. It can also be applied directly in color, even with different textures. If it is to be painted, there is special paint for that. I think clay is cool, just very expensive. Settlement cracks, however, are inevitable.

Clay is really cool

preferably a clay base plaster, then a finish plaster = perfect

if I stick with [kz], it should be troweled and then I paint over it with a clay paint or a paint-on plaster, which is actually more sensible, clay paint or paint-on plaster?

We used clay plaster. Our painter/plasterer uses the system from Lesando. The clay is dyed throughout and is not painted. You can plaster in structural elements - we mixed in some straw. If you look closely you can see it, if you don't pay attention you just have a beautiful warm lively wall. The note about settlement cracks is correct - the painter/plasterer knows that too. We have a timber frame house built by a carpenter. The wood naturally still moves a bit and cracks appear at the room corners. Therefore the painter/plasterer already cut a crack there with a carpet knife - it is now growing a little. He will come in a few months and close these spots. So everything is planned. In the two example close-ups from our house you can't see the colors as they really are with phone and artificial light and shadows also disturb - but structure and crack at the room corners are probably visible.

The advantage with clay and cracks is that they get rubbed away (so after the finish), right?