We want to build, is what is being offered to us okay?

  • Erstellt am 2015-04-15 19:47:24

ypg

2015-04-17 07:13:35
  • #1


But there is no aluminum in it?!

Asks Yvonne
 

LittleWulf

2015-04-17 07:19:13
  • #2
Yes, we had more offers. We limited ourselves to four providers (Viebrockhaus, Helma, Fibav, Fischer) and now only 2 of these four remain. We have an offer from each (Helma only from Saturday).
 

Legurit

2015-04-17 07:24:48
  • #3
Aerated concrete is perforated using aluminum, it is more about residues (esoteric in my opinion nonetheless).
 

Bauexperte

2015-04-17 10:02:16
  • #4
Hello,


This is a typical example when I talk about "dangerous half-knowledge." Once published on the internet without further explanations, the game of "telephone" starts; from ear to ear, the true content is reduced, while imagination increasingly comes to the fore...

Aluminum has recently gotten a bad reputation because it is responsible for the formation of yellow stains in the underarm area of light-colored T-shirts, shirts, and blouses. Manufacturers have reacted to this and now offer deodorants without this additive; it is interesting in this context that it is also contained in cosmetics but is (so far) bought and used by women without major concern.

***The essential basic materials or raw materials are to be specified in mass-% separately for sand, cement, quicklime, anhydrite/gypsum, pore-forming agent, water, reinforcement steel for prefabricated parts, and others (to be specified).

Example:

Sand 60 – 70 wt-%
Cement 15 – 30 wt-%
Quicklime 10 – 20 wt-%
Anhydrite/Gypsum 2 – 5 wt-%
Aluminum 0.05 – 0.1 wt-%

Additionally, 50 – 75 wt-% water (based on the solids) are used.

Further explanation of the materials used:

Sand:
The sand used is a natural raw material that contains natural accessory and trace minerals alongside the main mineral quartz (SiO2). It is an essential basic material for the hydrothermal reaction during steam curing.

Cement:
According to DIN EN 197-1; cement serves as a binding agent and is mainly produced from limestone marl or a mixture of limestone and clay. The natural raw materials are calcined and then ground.

Quicklime:
According to DIN EN 459; quicklime serves as a binding agent and is produced by calcining natural limestone.

Anhydrite / Gypsum:
According to DIN 1168; the sulfate carrier used influences the setting time of the aerated concrete and originates from natural deposits or is technically produced.

Aluminum:
Aluminum powder or paste serves as a pore-forming agent. Metallic aluminum reacts in the alkaline environment, releasing hydrogen gas that forms the pores and escapes after the foaming process is complete.

Water:
The presence of water is the basis for the hydraulic reaction of the binders. Water is also necessary to produce a homogeneous suspension.

Release oil:
Release oil is used as a separating agent between the form and the aerated concrete mass. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH)-free mineral oils are used, with long-chain additives to increase viscosity. This prevents running off in the mold and enables economical use.

The manufacturing process must be described and possibly illustrated with a simple graphic:

The ground quartz sand is mixed with lime, cement, and crushed aerated concrete recycling material, along with water and aluminum powder or paste, in a mixer to form an aqueous suspension and poured into molds. The water dissolves the lime with heat development. The aluminum reacts in the alkaline environment. This reaction forms gaseous hydrogen, which creates the pores in the mass and escapes without residues. The pores usually have a diameter of 0.5 – 1.5 mm and are filled exclusively with air. After initial setting, semi-solid raw blocks are produced, from which the aerated concrete components are cut mechanically and with high precision.

The development of the final properties of the components takes place during subsequent steam curing for 5 – 12 hours at about 190 °C and a pressure of around 12 bar in steam pressure boilers, so-called autoclaves. Here, calcium silicate hydrates are formed from the raw materials used, corresponding to the naturally occurring mineral tobermorite. The material reaction ends with the removal from the autoclave. Thus, unlike concrete curing, the reaction only takes a few hours. After the completion of the curing process, the steam is reused for further autoclave cycles. The condensate generated is used as process water. In this way, energy is saved and environmental pollution with hot steam and exhaust gases is avoided.

***Source: Institut Bauen und Umwelt e.V.; PCR Aerated Concrete (the document is made available for download by the institute for any interested builder)

It is true that aluminum is suspected of accelerating Alzheimer’s disease; some researchers also speak of the causation principle. Those who do not want to wait for the results of ongoing research in this field and fear aluminum should strictly banish any aluminum foil from their household, buy aluminum-free cosmetics, and avoid beverages from cans.

No one needs to fear aerated concrete, however, because after completion of the manufacturing process this blowing agent is no longer present.

Rhenish regards
 

Legurit

2015-04-17 10:09:00
  • #5
Don't say that I believe it, just that we have already been confronted with it twice now (once even by an eco-architect with the words "you never know what residues might still be there").
 

Bauexperte

2015-04-17 10:24:23
  • #6
Hello,


I believe you, only ...


... you simply included the claim that aluminum is contained in aerated concrete in a reply and published it without explaining what aluminum is used for. That stokes fears where none are necessary and is based on "hearsay"; there are also many silent readers of the forum. Only for that reason did I consult the pages of reputable institutes and tried to provide an understandable explanation of the manufacturing process; after all, I am not a natural scientist. Anyone who now searches Google & Co. for information on the topic will also find the other side of the coin; only in this way – from my subjective point of view – is factual opinion forming at all possible.

I think we all need to be more careful with what we say or write; especially in the fast-paced times of the WWW.

Rhenish regards
 

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