Wall heaters do not reach the desired temperature

  • Erstellt am 2021-12-08 20:22:22

driver55

2021-12-09 09:44:32
  • #1

Why only roughly? Is this your bathroom or not?

It seems very "clear" to me.
Therefore: VLA and dimensions?
Flow rates and temperatures (supply/return) at the HKV of all bathroom heating circuits. (Preferably of all in the house. Heating curve, settings, etc.)
 

EdelStoff

2021-12-09 09:53:00
  • #2

The EERs are all disconnected. Can you also explain how to perform a thermal balancing?


The thermometer is hanging on the T-wall (interior wall) at about 1.50m. I also measured with other thermometers; the result is always the same.


Yes, the wall heaters are thinner tubes (straws) than those for the underfloor heating. The underfloor heating is 17x2mm.

No, that is not my bathroom. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a picture of our bathroom quickly. VLA is 10cm.

Heating curve is 0.35
Room setpoint 22°C
Parallel shift 0

Do you mean supply/return temperatures measured at the HKV with IR thermometer?
 

Mycraft

2021-12-09 10:07:22
  • #3
Say goodbye to the idea that the heat pump heats individual rooms. Imagine your entire house with the rooms as one large water circuit. For each room, you have an adjustable access that determines how much water flows through in what time. The entire circuit is heated to one temperature. To bring a room to the desired temperature, depending on the room size, you have to let in a certain amount of water. If all rooms are the same size, that’s no problem, you simply let the same amount of water in everywhere. But rooms are always different sizes, so you have to let in the appropriate amount for each room. You regulate this via the access (distribution box of the underfloor heating, here you can set the flow). Unfortunately, it is the case that not enough water fits into some rooms to heat them to the desired temperature (mostly bathrooms because these are small and higher temperatures are desired). Now you can either create space for more water (reduce the installation spacing or use wall heating) or you increase the temperature of the water. Increasing the temperature (this is the known flow temperature) does bring the desired heat into the bathroom, but however, the other rooms also get warmer. So you have to reduce the amount of water here until you reach your desired temperature. This is called thermal balancing. However, the problem now arises that at low outdoor temperatures the heat is no longer sufficient. You could now increase the amount coming into each room, but then you would have the problem that you have to adjust everything exactly again so it fits, and you are also limited by the smaller rooms where no more water can go in. But our heating system knows due to the outdoor sensor that the temperature outside is dropping. So it increases the flow temperature to compensate. Since before all rooms were adjusted to their correct temperature during the thermal balancing, this works. This is the heating curve of the heating system; it contains how much the flow must be changed when the outside temperature changes. This is now a simplified representation, but it depicts the basic function.
 

driver55

2021-12-09 10:23:31
  • #4
Sorry, the information cannot be correct! You would rather have a sauna and not a "cold" bath! (If corresponding flow rates are available) At 0 degrees outdoor temperature, at 0.35/22 you are already running at 35 degrees! To the question: Yes.
 

EdelStoff

2021-12-09 10:25:09
  • #5
Thank you for the detailed answer.

Roughly, I tried that too. The living room, for example, is already set to 1.25 l/min (0.25 l/min x 5 heating circuits); less is hardly adjustable. I have also throttled the rooms that tend to be too warm. Should I rather lower the heating curve and then perform a thermal balancing again?

What exactly is the hydraulic balancing? Where can I check it?
 

EdelStoff

2021-12-09 10:36:45
  • #6
DHW: Bath flow 26°C return 23.4°C Wall flow 25.4°C return 22.8°C I find it strange that it just fluctuated relatively 'strongly'. I also had a measurement with bath flow 27°C. Of course, it could also be due to the IR thermometer. According to the heating system, the flow should be 29.1°C.
 

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