Turnkey or build with architects?

  • Erstellt am 2013-03-18 13:49:34

bigblue2010

2013-03-18 13:49:34
  • #1
Hello everyone,

my wife and I finally want to build. We have looked at many providers and have decided to build a solid house.
Now we are faced with the question of whether to build with an architect or turnkey.

What experiences or recommendations do you have on the subject? Maybe you can also name a few providers for us?

Best regards
Marcus
 

Der Da

2013-03-18 14:10:13
  • #2
It should also be possible to build turnkey with architects. :D
 

emer

2013-03-18 14:33:59
  • #3
We started dealing with the topic of house construction very early. To be precise, over two years ago. If there are no further delays with the new development area, it can finally start at the beginning of 2014.

We struggled for a long time with several construction companies, talked a lot, had many appointments, and realized that none of them really suited us. We kept throwing plans overboard again and again.

After 1.5 years, we also started dealing with architects. But here too, not everything that glitters is gold.

In the end, we decided on a local architectural firm.

The reason is: our individuality and the things we have changed and overturned repeatedly over time. Since we assume this will not change during the construction period, it became the architect. I can decide out of fear even 5 minutes before, if the socket should be placed in a different corner. With construction companies, I can do that too, but with the architect it costs what it costs and not what a contractor casually demands as a flat rate for a plan change. No matter how small.

Furthermore, I want competent construction supervision. And I have influence on the awarding of contracts. That is important to me even as a "professional planner" (project manager). Then I am the client of the trades and can control accordingly and immediately and do not have to rely solely on an external contractor.

Those were our reasons after— in our opinion— careful consideration.
 

bigblue2010

2013-03-18 15:36:06
  • #4
Hello,

thank you first of all for your answers. So far, we thought that it would be best to build with a construction company that does everything from one source, then we only have one contact person and don't have to chase several instances. There are some Massibau providers that should be quite good, I don't know if I am allowed to name names here.

We don't have any big ideas regarding the house, at least in terms of architecture or anything else. It should just please us :)

How exactly does it work with an architect? He plans the house, that's clear, and what happens next? Does he take care of getting construction companies to come and implement it or do you have to do that yourself? What has kept me away from the architect so far are the horror stories that they miscalculate the costs by 20% - 30%.

We might soon have a plot of land and would jump at it immediately if we knew what a house would cost us.

Best regards Marcus
 

Der Da

2013-03-18 15:48:32
  • #5
It is easier to build with a developer or general contractor. They usually already have floor plans in the drawer that can be adjusted slightly. Therefore, these companies can usually estimate very well what the house will cost. The word "actually" should be emphasized here. Because even here, costs are often concealed or withheld and only appear little by little. 10-20% additional costs are not that uncommon and should be planned for. In this case, if the architect guarantees you a price (in writing) and miscalculates, he is usually insured... but here it also gets legally questionable... whether the costs arose because you wanted it differently, or because the architect was incompetent, or simply because too much time has passed and the craftsmen have increased the price. Depending on the case, the insurance pays or not. We deliberately decided against an architect because the individual contracting was too "hot" for us. We wanted as much as possible from one source, which has already paid off. We had trouble with a subcontractor but were able to resolve and settle it directly through the house provider. The subcontractor was not very willing to negotiate :) For me, it is important to have exactly one person to vent my frustration on. You unfortunately always hear phrases like "we have always done it this way" or "that is within tolerance" from craftsmen. With the craftsmen I personally hired, there were always problems, and in the end, we were the ones who lost out... Mostly cosmetic damages. So only build with an architect if you understand each other and agree. Otherwise, things can go wrong very quickly. Also, have references given to you and talk to the builders.
 

Der Da

2013-03-18 15:49:24
  • #6

You only know that once you have moved in :)
 

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