Super disaster - water pipe burst, screed damp

  • Erstellt am 2017-03-12 22:40:58

KlaRa

2017-03-13 19:39:41
  • #1
Hello Andreas, the situation is not as critical as the initial call suggested. Depending on the material used for the impact sound insulation, the amount of water absorption can vary greatly. With EPS, for example, it can approach zero. Causing the horses to shy away does not seem to me to be the right way at the moment. And it leads to nothing. One can only try to protect oneself with appropriate wording towards the GU. That is the task of a lawyer. From a purely technical point of view, I would not do anything at the moment if only tile levels are or were affected. And if no calcium sulfate screed (formerly called Anhydrite) was used as the binder for the heated screed. Whether the screed insulation on the upper floor became wet or damp can easily be determined by opening the floor. But again: please do not act now under premature suspicion and possibly with amateurish technical understanding by blindly making several openings in the screed. This - together with the assessment - should be the task of an expert or the specialists of the trade, to open selectively and carefully and to evaluate the findings.
 

merlin83

2017-03-13 21:32:12
  • #2
Does this also result in a recognized depreciation? We are usually talking about new buildings here.

If I were offered 2 hypothetical, identical properties in the same location, I would certainly be willing to pay several thousand euros more for the building without water damage. Is something like this compensated?

Are there significant risks or technical uncertainties that remain after the drying process between the concrete slab and the screed?

Thank you in advance.
 

andimann

2017-03-13 22:13:04
  • #3
Hi KlaRa;

attached is a picture of the structure of the screed insulation. This is even exactly the area of the bathtub. On top there are of course still about 7 cm of cement screed (which is therefore uncritical) and then tiles/parquet. Unfortunately, I do not have a data sheet for the EPS. This loose-fill material was from Knauf, see photo. It would still need to be inquired how moisture-sensitive it is.

Of course, I am not going to break up floors myself, I leave that nicely to my general contractor. A drying technician was already here today, but he could not get down along the perimeter insulation strips to the raw floor.

My concern is that the water has spread quite far in the screed insulation. It has, after all, the bathroom is not that small and the bathroom is obviously completely affected. So why should the water have stopped at the door threshold? And outside the bathroom there is parquet everywhere on the upper floor!

So I have a moisture source in the apartment that, if it is not completely dried out, will always cause mustiness and will destroy any parquet in the short to medium term.

Best regards,

Andreas
 

Iktinos

2017-03-13 22:22:24
  • #4
Good that you recommend this urgently; even multiple times. People in this forum do not believe me, rather frequent posters.
 

KlaRa

2017-03-14 08:49:58
  • #5
"Does this also result in a recognized depreciation?" This is a question to be legally assessed. There is also only the aspect of depreciation as such. And this is either valid (if accepted by the contracting parties) or not. Damage caused by a water damage event either has an effect, then we speak of damages, and remediation is necessary, or it has no effect. Then no depreciation is required. I have already commented extensively on the possible effects, so additions here, especially in detail, are not necessary. Everything else is speculative in nature and therefore additional remarks on this would be pointless. --------------------------------- Regards: KlaRa
 

Peanuts74

2017-03-16 10:10:24
  • #6


That doesn’t really help now, of course, but as the saying goes, if you want something done conscientiously, do it yourself...
You can’t even generalize this to the entire company, but it only takes one person with zero motivation to mess something up and then you have trouble. And with water, that trouble is immediately significant...
 

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