Smart home without switches? P.Hue, Home Assistant, Homematic wired IP

So first of all, I would plan and install the light switches. Make deep flush-mounted boxes behind them and/or electrical boxes. You can remove the switches later and replace them with others or blind them off, etc. Later on, you won't be able to retrofit the property without making a big mess! Also, the electrical trade should carry out the acceptance test for functionality. This only works if the lamps can be switched via switches. If you take over the parameterization, you will always have some uncertainty as to whether the cables have actually been wired properly.

I also have 1-2 walls where I didn't install sockets because I was thinking about aesthetics. But now I know that you can never have enough sockets and that in everyday life you "ignore" them. Sometimes you really have to look for them when you want to plug something in. Also, it's always good when there is power somewhere.

I also wouldn't want to do without the room thermostats. For example, you can place smart devices there perfectly. For example, the NS Panels from sonoff. With them, you can then switch scenes and much more (keyword lovelace UI and ioBroker).

If you want to go into property rental, I would suggest looking up the keyword "smart hotel room."

Hello yes I can understand the objections and nobody wants to fall on their nose either, that's why the following question, can I directly control the following modules via IO Broker through their respective gateway solutions? Or do I, for example, have to first make the connections in the app via Homeatic IP or is it sufficient to simply integrate the devices to then link them via IO-Broker with functions? Where is there a list of what IO-Broker can connect?

On the topic of network cables......I need a network in the control cabinet.....I will see how to get WiFi into the apartments....In the network there will be a Hu Bridge or maybe two, one for each apartment, then in the control cabinet Raspberry PI, Homematic wired, maybe the CCU if I need it for a few wireless sensors, then people still need WiFi, how would you do it? Or distribute for the network?

Morning, since these are two holiday apartments for rent, I would never ever plan it myself without expertise. A professional company needs to be brought on board as early as possible. You tell them your wishes, they advise you on the possibilities, choose the right system, take over the planning and handle the implementation, as well as the support in the following years. Everything else doesn’t make any sense. At home, you can tinker and mess around until the doctor comes, but not in a rented property. Happy Easter to everyone

Good morning and happy Easter,

well, regarding the specialist companies, there are now some great companies to whom you send your ideas and receive an offer with a concept and a price. But everyone has their own way and does it the way they are best at. One says he installs Homeatic, another KNX, another one... but none explain the connections because maybe they are afraid you might want to meddle yourself. I find it better to tell the company exactly what I want and compare offers instead of being dependent on what they want to sell me at the moment. And if IO-Broker supports all my interfaces at home, then the order could be: make me a concept with a visualization out of it... Now the KNX person says, but it all works much better this way... from his point of view that is probably true... an automation expert would say, man, we do everything via OPC UA... and you who stand in this jungle have to rely on that... everyone will present a solution that works... in the one they know best ;)

But if I look only at the interfaces... I have to say IO-Broker is cool... even more than Homeassistant... and KNX is just another interface of it... like Homeatic... meaning what is connected behind it is actually completely irrelevant to me... it just has to work and support ALL interfaces... of course if one big one can cover 80% and only 20% have to be covered by other manufacturers, that would be great... that is why I am also looking for the 80% player among other things.

And now go to an electrical company and tell them you would like an automation with IO Broker for your house with two control panels without light switches where you can also automate air conditioning, heating, photovoltaics, and the vacuum robots...

I personally believe that a pure electrical company will no longer be able to manage that and will suggest... drill deep holes for the switches first... That works, young man! What I have experienced is rather that the electrician is used as a subcontractor. But no longer the planner... because people already charge well for that...

In any case, it works, only the goal is that my vacuum robot starts driving as soon as the apartment is empty, for which I programmed a route beforehand, and not only when I have pressed a switch. At least that would be the goal...

In this respect, exchanging opinions is very valuable here... And yes, I see that it makes sense to pull a network cable into every apartment but not into every corner...

I just want to be able to know later what was installed there and why :)

I think it's better if I tell the company exactly what I want and can compare offers rather than being dependent on what they want to sell me.

Let me know when you find a company that goes along with that. Real professional firms have no desire to be taught about the world by someone with half-knowledge from the internet. Such tinkering projects without a real concept usually only get taken on by hobby craftsmen on MyHammer, who then fail midway through the execution and disappear. There are three options: 1. Hire a professional firm, trust them, and pay them. 2. Continue ignoring tips here, tinker around yourself (because you can’t find a reputable company for it), and in the end pay someone more than in 1. to fix the thing. 3. Do everything yourself because you have trust issues with craftsmen and end up with a construction site for an unforeseeable amount of time.