Salamander / Brügmann BlueEvolution Windows

Can you maybe even get it used (current version from 2014).

What does "current" mean then – 2014 was still before the current Energy Saving Ordinance – does the 2014 guide already address the draft of the 2016 Energy Saving Ordinance?

Or you get an expert involved

That was good. If you stay here a little longer, it will dawn on you: that "expert" is the shortest forum joke – there are birds who cheerfully quote standards that unfortunately only apply to adjacent areas (or: are no longer valid). That technical knowledge can also become outdated is a completely unknown phenomenon to some contemporaries. An expert is only worth as much as his further training (and his professional liability insurance). Apart from the unfortunately true core of the saying that the harshest critics of moose were once moose themselves.

What does "currently" mean then - 2014 was still before the current Energy Saving Ordinance - does the 2014 guideline already refer to the draft of the 2016 Energy Saving Ordinance?

Since when does the Energy Saving Ordinance specify how windows are to be installed? I don't see any connection there, at most to the topic of airtightness. But nothing significant has changed there either.

It is still necessary to question why it is so much cheaper.

It was the same for us back then. Offers ranged from 17,000 to 34,000 for the same windows. Some just charge quite a lot, for example, dismantling including disposal costs only 1,500 at company A, but 3,500 at company B. Or extras like invisible hinges sometimes cost 500, sometimes a 4,000 surcharge.

What does "currently" mean then – 2014 was still before the current energy saving ordinance – does the 2014 guideline already address the draft of the 2016 energy saving ordinance?

To my knowledge, there has been no change in windowinstallation due to the energy saving ordinance. So "currently" means that no new (building physics) findings have emerged in the meantime that would have made an adjustment necessary.

That was good. If you stay here a little longer, it will dawn on you: that "expert" is the shortest forum joke – there are guys who cheerfully quote standards that unfortunately only apply to neighboring areas (or: are no longer valid). That expertise can also become outdated is a completely unknown phenomenon to some people. An expert is only worth as much as their continuing education (and their professional liability insurance). Aside from the unfortunately true core of the saying that the harshest critics of moose used to be moose themselves.

Of course, there are fewer and fewer good ones and the better ones. You just have to hire the right ones, but that applies throughout the entire house construction! It also requires quite a bit of luck.

It was the same for us back then. Offers ranged from 17,000 to 34,000 for the same windows. Some are quite expensive, for example, the removal including disposal costs only 1,500 at company A, but 3,500 at company B. Or extras like invisible hinges sometimes 500, sometimes a 4,000 surcharge.

How did you decide back then, purely by gut feeling or by price?

Since when does the Energy Saving Ordinance state how windows are to be installed?

I told you:

and I dare to doubt that it comments on the procedure of window installation.

Hi Christian,

we are now also being offered the Bluevolution 82. Did you take them? Are you satisfied? Thanks for your answer! Best regards, Chris