Question about a plot with location plan

Hello,

we are currently looking at plot No. 55 from the attached site plan. At the moment, it is an old sports field and the plots are just being developed and created. We were on site and took a look. It concerns the slope and the symbols of the usage boundary, etc.

I spoke with the seller and he said that you can easily gain/straighten about 4.5 meters, of course not all of it, because there is also a neighboring plot underneath due to infiltration, etc., and there must also remain a green belt, etc... but I don’t really know what is realistic there and especially what additional costs you have to plan for – since it is basically already the upper edge of our plot budget :)

You can see that it goes down quite steeply – the seller mentioned something about 1 meter L-shaped stones being allowed, but I’m not sure if that is a requirement or just advice from him, etc.. What do you think? What can be done there? Maybe one or two more levels? It doesn’t all have to be at the highest level at the top.

What do these circles mean? According to the legend, usage boundaries. That is then something where you are not allowed to do anything at all or... where you probably have to plant?

Even if you then have a plan, you have to buy everything and it can be rejected again in the course of the building application, right? Or how can you be sure before purchase that you can do what you have planned?

Thank you very much in advance!!!

With L angles you can of course somewhat compensate for height differences between plots. But 1 meter is already quite a lot, and if it even goes up on your side (after all 6 meters), a huge mass will rest on the angles. This will very likely not work that way, as these angles are normally designed for roughly level ground on the high side. But even if it does work, you only gain a little, you have a height offset to the neighbor on the right/left, and such angles cost a fortune including the complex installation. If the plot below is already built on, you won't get a digger in there anymore and the matter is settled.

If you want to draw this expensive boundary, you are still liable for everything that can happen with it. For example, rainwater on his plot that runs off from your slope. And of course, the entire damage if the angles should break.

To make it short: all neighbors will probably do about the same :)

PS: the plots are really tightly cut. A decent carport at the edge will already be tight...

Thank you for the response. But the plot slopes downward at the back, not upward - or I misunderstood you. 16 meters at the front in width is standard for new development areas, 3+9+3 after all...

Thanks anyway for the many comments. I also think that none of this is worth it because the plot itself is already over budget and then this whole story. Without structural changes, it is only half the plot and then the price is of course much, much higher...

Of course it's going downhill at the back. The elevations are noted on the plan. And better at the top than at the bottom (especially now with the rain, relatively easy to accept :) ). Either you do almost nothing on the slope, thereby giving up part of the garden/property, or it gets expensive. But in any case, you have to prevent the rain from running from the slope area to the neighbor. A ditch in front would be a simple option, but that probably means something has to be removed beforehand.

In the end, you have a property where a large part is unusable. Either the price per square meter is really good or the lots are junk.

16 meters width in the front are standard in new development areas, 3+9+3 after all...

Never heard of that. We have 20 meters width.

Hello Henrik,

The first step should be to look at the development plan, written regulations: what is allowed regarding raising/lowering the plot without a building application. This is often standardized to +/- 1m, but only if the entire plot is raised.

In your case, strictly speaking, it is a locally limited change, which would also cause a height difference well above 1m. This is considered an independent structural element under building regulations and therefore triggers setback requirements. This means that the raising may only begin at a distance of 3m from the eastern and western property boundaries without causing encumbrances on the neighboring plots.

This can be remedied if the neighbors also fill in – but you do not know this yet.

For me, this would significantly reduce the price of the plot, because one must assume that (legally) such a large-scale raising cannot initially be achieved.

The truthfulness of the seller’s statement can also be easily verified. Have the purchase contract drawn up and include a clause that you may raise the terrain (mark it clearly on the plan and measure well!) in the relevant area to the northern plot level. If the building permit is not granted, the seller is liable for damages – he will never sign this or his asking price for the plot will be so high that a five-figure damage does not scare him either.

Another option: You pay/calculate the full price for the front part of the plot, but only 1/3 of the full standard land value for the area from the terrain edge onward. With this mixed price, you enter negotiations and wait to see what happens. Or you buy, for example, the plot to the west, which is much less affected by the embankment.

In short: the parcels 897 and 898 have a significant limitation. Anyone who pays the full purchase price for them pays too much. Especially since the comparison with neighboring parcels 896 and 899 is obvious. Buyers of these parcels simply have inherently better usable plots.

Best regards,
Dirk Grafe

Thank you... that all doesn't sound so great... is that the last free large plot, all the others are gone.

Alternatively, slightly north there is this one. Small - but completely flat, although expensive per square meter because the houses are built so close together...

The building window is the black line with the dots, right? How do I see how long the house can be in total? And is it allowed to exceed 8.5 meters sideways with a bay window, or can it be at most 8.5 meters wide everywhere?

Thank you!