Planning of single-family house new construction energy consulting

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Maxi2012

2017-01-10 12:40:08
  • #1
Hi, we also build in Bavaria, solidly. However, with 17.5 cm sand-lime bricks and ETICS. Just familiarize yourself with the different wall building materials regarding the things that are important to you (e.g. indoor climate, production without pollutants, etc.)

We also decided to build without the KfW funding. However, it always depends on individual preferences.

We also have a Swedish stove - because it’s simply cozy ;)
 

Alex85

2017-01-10 15:10:32
  • #2
You better go to the architect soon and discuss the important things first, namely floor plans and building materials. If the cost estimate still doesn’t make you break out in a sweat, you can pick a few goodies from your ridiculously expensive wishlist (what do your helpers say about working hard for months so that you can install a €20,000 photovoltaic system on the house?).

As a building material, I would choose something common in the region and therefore can be installed with experience. That could also be economical. Whether brick, calcium silicate, or aerated concrete – they all have their properties; there will be no optimum. In the end, everything has its price. Your own labor also plays a role because you can carry a hollow brick by hand, but with large calcium silicate blocks, you can forget it. That could also be a point where your own work is no longer worthwhile because the professional with the appropriate equipment simply works much more efficiently. But that still needs to be figured out.
 

ZeroDown

2017-01-11 12:26:13
  • #3
Wow Alex, quite a tough nut you're throwing at me. I don't know how it is where you are, but out here in the countryside people help each other. Most helpers are family and they do it gladly. Just last year I took 4 weeks off work for my brother-in-law’s house construction, and the shell was almost finished by then. So what’s wrong with it going the other way now? Well, this hard work has already hit me...

What do you mean by an outrageously expensive wish list? Either I build the way I want, with the luxury I want, or I stay in the rental apartment and have to accept those compromises.

The controlled residential ventilation is comfort, KNX is a gimmick (it’s almost been crossed off again), photovoltaic pays for itself (earnings = repayment) and I do something for the environment (that I reduce my utilities because of it and make a profit after about 12 years is a very nice side effect) Air conditioning, yes that is luxury, maybe even expensive luxury.

Regarding the distribution of building materials. If I had to estimate what kind of single-family houses are built around here, I would say about 45% brick, 35% Ytong, and 20% prefabricated house/wood frame.

And yes, I still have to inform myself thoroughly about the individual building materials and also discuss/debate with my architect.
 

Alex85

2017-01-11 19:01:23
  • #4


I’ve been sitting here for 10 minutes thinking about how to answer you. And whether I was too direct with you. But no, I don’t think I was. I’m happy to explain again why.

There are often builders here who plan to do their own work. They do this, for example, because they know craftsmen/friends/family who can do something cheaply. Usually, they do it to save money. Those who plan a lot of self-performed work often overestimate the value of that work. They forget that materials also cost money and that friends/family/acquaintances don’t have an entire year’s time to build a house every weekend as a friendly favor. In all these rosy calculations, it almost always comes down to the fact that the construction project wouldn’t happen at all otherwise because the money is missing.
With you, it’s completely different. You’re planning a palace with maximum equipment. Please don’t misunderstand me, we help each other here too and yes, you can expect people to reciprocate, but anyone planning 180 sqm plus basement with this list of goodies doesn’t need to obligate their circle of acquaintances to such an extent ("a very, very large amount of self-performed work").
Yet at the same time you write that the house has to be as inexpensive as possible, but money is available for 20,000€ photovoltaics... it doesn’t get more contradictory than that! Your people are supposed to bend over backward in their precious free time so you can earn a 3-4% return with a photovoltaic system? Wow.
Your friends will surely help you willingly to get you into your own four walls, but not to gild your faucets. But with that, I might be overstepping; maybe that’s how it works for you.

My impression is that you still lack an understanding of what the project costs. Hence the advice to first clarify the important things before getting lost in details like photovoltaics.

I’ll ask you directly: what do you think your project will cost? Do you have an idea?
What is the planned self-performance worth?

I’m by no means the authority on estimating house prices, but I’ll try to give you an impression.
180 sqm * 1900€ (Bavaria) = 342,000€ for the house. 50,000€ extra for the basement. 25,000€ for a masonry double garage, 40,000€ ancillary building costs. 15,000€ landscaping (the bare minimum, as they say here), 15,000€ kitchen. Extra for KNX 20,000€ (open end...), controlled residential ventilation 12,000€, 20,000€ photovoltaics, 10,000€ fireplace with chimney. Up to here ~550,000€. Plus land and acquisition costs.
Are you aware that you have >700,000€ on your wish list, including the land?

4 weeks of help on the shell. 4 * 40 working hours * 50€ hourly wage = 8,000€ saved through own work. You counted three helpers, including yourself that makes 4, which means 32,000€ saved. Opposed to that is the significantly longer construction time, during which you may have to pay rent, you will also have to pay interest on construction financing. Plus you have no warranty on the work.

I just want to show you that you surely have good conditions to save money. Trench collector, great, excavator driver on hand, even better. Saves you 2-3,000€. But these are just peanuts compared to the entire project. First knock off the big, unavoidable items and see which price is quoted to you. After that, you can go into more detail and work through the wishlist. Most will likely adjust the previous wishes to reality at this point (may you be allowed to if it’s the other way round, but that hardly ever happens).
 

Alex85

2017-01-11 19:07:46
  • #5


Building is always a compromise because the budget is finite.
There is also something between a 3-room apartment and a palace. 99.9% of single-family houses lie within this range.
 

ypg

2017-01-11 20:00:25
  • #6
Where Alex is right.... he is right :)

The construction project is a contradiction in itself.
 

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