Noble residential house in Roman style - Who builds something like this?

  • Erstellt am 2018-10-01 03:07:32

montessalet

2018-10-03 14:43:05
  • #1


Put differently – but my opinion.
In the end, everyone has to decide for themselves what they want – in housebuilding, in furniture, in choosing a job, in choosing a partner....
 

MarcVillet

2018-10-03 18:20:03
  • #2
First of all, many thanks for the truly extremely numerous contributions on this topic!
In advance, I would like to apologize for only now being able to write something again on this topic, but I have been quite busy the past few days and will probably not always be able to respond immediately to everything in the future either. In the following, I would like to go into a few posts in more detail:



Thank you very much for this hint! I must confess I am completely new to the subject and also live very remotely in the countryside. On which websites can you best find contacts to sculptors, restorers, and suitable architects?



Yes, certainly I do not intend to exaggerate with the style elements of the temple buildings I mentioned within a planned small residential house… More representative for my building idea would probably be something like the House of the Vettii in Pompeii. I can imagine Corinthian columns, for example, as a colonnade of what I called in modern terms the "atrium," i.e., the courtyard. I would not want to exaggerate with frescoes and sculptures, but certainly a few sculptures in the atrium and a few smaller sculptures in the bathroom or other rooms, a few frescoes in the living area, mosaics in the bathroom or something similar, but naturally adapted in quantity to the size of the house and of course also to the budget. I am quite flexible regarding the amount of style elements and definitely willing to adapt, as long as the materials remain high quality.

Regarding the development plan, I would also have to inform myself first, as I live, as said, in an extremely sparsely populated area (about 200 people in the village). However, due to my profession, I am also able to move flexibly and find a suitable place for my construction, as long as it should be allowed somewhere in Germany to build in Roman or neoclassical style.



Here I apologize for my choice of terms, I used atrium in the modern sense for the courtyard, as one knows it, for example, from the House of the Vettii in Pompeii, since I was not aware of how many people here in the forum are familiar with the ancient terms, which I myself, although quite interested in history, do not fully master to my shame.



Where exactly can one best find out about the legal building situation in one’s own area, preferably on the internet without having to visit authorities? In an emergency, I would only need to know where §34 is not effective, since it should be quite possible for me to move. Foregoing noble materials is not an option for me, though I would certainly limit the number of style elements, but definitely not the quality.



I can quite understand that and am also no fan of such clashing mixed-style areas. Unfortunately, I do not know of any village or town that has fully committed to my desired style, so I had indeed planned to build the house rather in a quiet and idyllic area with plenty of nature, where the style does not clash with others, a modest country villa, so to speak, like you often find in deserted places in Italy.



Well, I myself live quite close to the Limes, where the Romans once built in their style. Certainly, the climate was probably warmer back then than today, but at the same time I have naturally planned in some aspects to adapt the house to modern standards, at least where it is beneficial to progress and clashes as little as possible with the style. I am also willing to move permanently to more southern German-speaking regions for my dream, if necessary.



Of course, the amount of high-quality material must be adjusted to the financial resources available to me by that time. It would be enough for me, if necessary, to realize my dream at an older age and use it as a retirement residence. I am quite willing to make demands on myself and live very minimally until the right time. Nevertheless, I think it is slowly time to get more detailed information about costs so that my ideas are not completely without basis; for that, I definitely need contacts now.



Well, I have already traveled to some suitable architectural places in my past and was so fascinated by this style that I set it as a firm goal to build something like that myself. Clubs certainly have their charm but require a lot of time, which I cannot provide.



Well, I think we no longer live in a time defined by one style. Everywhere you find new buildings of very different styles, partly really clashing as mentioned above. Personally, I think this style, for the beauty it conveys, receives far too little attention today. However, this is certainly only my personal opinion and probably also related to the cost factor.



Besides the fact that the Romans had an unprecedented progressive water supply system, hygiene was very important, and entry to the baths was extremely cheap and thus available to all classes, and that the sewage system was absolutely revolutionary (it is assumed that there was no odor in Roman cities; they mocked almost all sins of a city in the theater, no matter how small, but never about smell!), and a comparable status was probably only reached again in the 19th century, many years after the fall of Rome, I want to mention that I perceive this statement as somewhat mocking and sarcastic and would ask to refrain from such remarks.



Well, I do ask you… I am of course aware of what buildings the shown structures are and that they do not represent living space… I put these examples more in connection with what fascinated and inspired me so much on my numerous travels and ultimately led to my dream (although I could well imagine nowadays building more public buildings in a similar style, such as baths or libraries for the public instead of gray standard buildings, but that is only my personal opinion).

However, regarding my ideas, I would probably rather refer to ancient examples, such as numerous houses in Pompeii, I agree with that, see also my answers above.



Many thanks for the understanding and acceptance of my dream build! I know that for many here it probably came across as misunderstood or, put nicely, as a quirky idea to hear about, but it has really been my dream for years, which I want to seriously pursue and am gladly willing to adjust the amount of precious materials to the size of the house and budget. I am not planning a crazy temple replica nor an exaggerated mansion nor necessarily a 1:1 historical replica of a Roman residential house, some things must definitely be adapted to modern times as long as they do not clash with the style.
 

ypg

2018-10-03 23:06:46
  • #3


That reads great as a summary of a novel about a fulfilling life ;)
 

MarcVillet

2018-10-03 23:54:31
  • #4
Not so far off after all, I also write as a hobby author in my free time, as much as I can manage, unfortunately less recently.
 

11ant

2018-10-04 01:44:21
  • #5

try googling "Bebauungsplan" on the website of your Verbandsgemeinde or city administration. Where one of these applies, it automatically replaces the softer but also legally less certain insertion requirement of §34.


If at 24 years old as a self-employed person you are willing to push dream fulfillment so far into the future, you might want to reconsider an employment position. As a self-employed person, you need a certain Tsjakka! factor.

As much as I like consistent authenticity: the Roman of today speaks Italian, no longer wears a toga, eats sitting down, also writes k and z and w instead of just c and v, and even Arabic numerals.

If you, for example, browse through the oeuvre of H. Bienefeld, you might come across present-day compatible adaptations of a building style you have in mind. Better make the compromise in the strictness of the style model than in the reduction of dimensions (where, in my opinion, it hurts more).

Imagine for a moment you were a Bauhaus fan: what would remain of a Villa Tugendhat if you only had a 600 sqm plot for it (and today that already makes you a king!).
 

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