New construction costs - Is the financing in order? Experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2022-10-24 18:37:31

HolmsTalent

2022-10-24 18:37:31
  • #1
Hello everyone,

We have been actively searching for a house for about 1.5 years now to free ourselves from the cage of a 2-room apartment (warm rent: approx. 600 euros). Since we both do the majority of our work from home and due to the apartment layout our workspaces are directly opposite each other, concentrating during simultaneous meetings is rather difficult for us. Additionally, children are planned (so not yet present), which means that in this case we would have to look for at least a 3-room apartment at the latest. We are also registered as looking for an apartment with our cooperative, but the offers – if any come in – well, do not meet our requirements (we are currently living in a new-build apartment).

General information about you:

    [*
      Who are you? Woman and man
      [*]How old are you? 32 and 33
      [*]Are there children? 0
      [*]Are children planned? Yes (up to 2)
      [*]Are you employed? Yes
      [*]How many hours do you work? 40h and 37h

    Income and asset situation:

      [*]What income do you have (gross/net)? Woman: ~3100 euros net, man: 3500 euros net (plus side job ~200 euros, which I prefer not to count), EDIT: special payments (both Christmas + vacation pay not included)
      [*]How much child benefit do you get? 0
      [*]Other transfer payments such as parental allowance, sickness benefit, etc...? 0
      [*]How much equity do you have? 240,000 euros, of which liquid: 130,000 euros (rest in securities)
      [*]How much equity do you want to invest in the house project? 130,000 euros


    Living/household costs:

      [*]Total expenses per month: approx. 1500 euros

    General information about the targeted property:

      [*]From the developer
      [*]Including land (approx. 510 sqm), fully developed
      [*]Viebrockhaus Kfw 40 Plus house (145 sqm, 5 rooms, heat pump, photovoltaics) including interior finishing (without kitchen), including lawn (without hedge)
      [*]Purchase price: 595,000 euros
      [*]Additional purchase costs: 41,000 euros
      [*]Total costs: 636,000 euros
      [*]4 partial payments will be due

    We have already spoken with a loan broker, which has crystallized the following situation:

      [*]Loan amount: 508,000 euros (128,000 euros equity)
      [*]Interest rate: 4.16% (a lower loan-to-value ratio only changed the interest rate by 0.03%)
      [*]Installment: 2,290 euros with 1.25% repayment
      [*]Special repayment: 5% of the loan amount (we are calculating with 12,000 euros p.a. that we will repay early)
      [LIST]
      [*]So far, our relatively high surplus has gone into securities and equity building (see above). Therefore, we are sure that we will not be tempted to spend the reserved special repayment money.


Our problem is as follows:
We have prepared an income/expense calculation with roughly the following assumptions added:

    [*]A 2nd car is needed, resulting in higher mobility costs
    [*]Maintenance reserves must be built up
    [*]Return insurance
    [*]Property tax / municipal fees
    [*]Kitchen: approx. 20,000 euros (financed by partial liquidation of building savings contract, cash, a small part from parents)

With the additional expenses + installment, we arrive at a surplus of ~2,500 euros per month (currently ~5,200 euros +/-).
Of the 2,500 euros, we would set aside 1,000 euros for special repayments, save 1,000 euros, and consider the rest as "base noise" (there is always something).
However, if one of us should go on parental leave (each for 3-6 months), that person will only receive 1,800 euros (and this is the challenge). Our idea here was: during that time less is saved to bridge parental leave. Subsequently, the question of childcare arises. My wife would reduce to 35h, so the surplus would decrease accordingly by ~350 euros net.

In the worst-case scenario, we would have to tap into the securities...

Such a life decision is only made once, and at the moment we are in a comfortable situation that would change abruptly. We are aware that this cannot go on forever, especially when children arrive and one often – emotionally and not rationally considered – longs for their own garden, more space in general, and very importantly: peace! (which we do not always have due to the multi-family building).

Our question:
We are somewhat uncertain whether we should take this step because, for example, there are no children yet, we should save more equity first (risk: interest rates rising meanwhile?), and initially look for a larger apartment (offers from 2010 or later, e.g., once: ~1,300 net cold for 3 rooms, ~80 sqm via our cooperative – which we declined at the time). However, the difference between net cold rent for the larger apartment and the house loan is roughly "only" about 1,000 euros, and the house would be completely new with a very high standard. New living costs (cold) would be over the famous one-third: ~34%...
How would you handle this situation? Have we overlooked something? Can or should we afford the house?
We were able to reserve it based on a "declaration of intent to purchase" initially for 2 weeks, so time is pressing...

If we have forgotten any information, please let me know!

Thank you all for taking the time to read this and help us with the decision-making!

Best regards!
 

kati1337

2022-10-24 19:03:31
  • #2
Problems I see:

- 1.25% repayment would be too little for me

- Kitchen as the only extra item besides the house price seems to be calculated too tightly. What about additional incidental costs and upgrades? How about the interior finish? Things to consider: surcharges for floors / painting work? What is included, what is not? Outdoor area? Paving / terrace? Everything flat, lawn is enough for now? Fencing? Slope? Additional costs for earthworks? Lamps? Furnishing? Surcharges for better sanitary equipment? Electrical, additional sockets, ceiling spots, etc.?
A catalog house is very rarely built without spending extra somewhere.

- Your salary is actually quite good, so the financing amount should be feasible.

- With children / parental leave in mind: The 1800 is given exactly for 1 year. After that, there is nothing at first. I would not have dared to firmly calculate for the first child that I could work again after one year. We spread the parental allowance over 1.5 years and were lucky with the daycare place. What are your chances there? What is the alternative plan if childcare does not work out immediately? Could you also get by if the woman works only 20 hours for 1-2 years?

Best regards & all the best! :)
 

ypg

2022-10-24 19:33:16
  • #3
I would do it. If not now, when then? Salary and equity are good, I can't say anything about the offer.
If opportunities for a property pop up like mushrooms at your place, you can also wait.
I (also) don't like the following points:
- Construction service description must definitely be checked regarding possible special expenses. mentioned it. Who pays for the development?
- What about the terrace, carport, and driveway? Already included in the package?
- Repayment must be set high initially and then lowered when the child comes.
- Special repayments will melt away for other things (lamps, furnishings, garden), so don't include them at first.

Make a cost breakdown for the time from when you live in the house with a second car.
Once with a child, once without.
 

HolmsTalent

2022-10-24 21:26:45
  • #4


Hello Kati,

thank you for your answer. We had considered a max. rate of €2,300, hence the 1.25%, with the awareness that it would be an endless story without special repayment. It would only give us more monthly liquidity in difficult times. But this is not set in stone yet.

According to the project developer, the following are included:

Outdoor area:

    [*
      Paving of outdoor area (parking area and path to the front door, terrace)
      [*]Flat plot (flatland in Lower Saxony)
      [*]Complete earthworks (excavation and removal of soil, thermal base) / soil report
      [*]Fencing not included (according to the municipality we also have to plant a tree)
      [*]House connections included
      [*]Plot connected by the municipality (water, electricity, communication connections)

    Indoor area:

      [*]Electric shutters on ground and upper floor (with burglary protection)
      [*]Floor covering (including tiles) and painting work in Q2 included (floor covering can be selected from Viebrockhaus range)
      [*]Sanitary facilities by Villeroy & Boch included (which is sufficient for us)
      [*]A bunch of sockets due to the “smart home package” (I might have to inform myself further on that)


    Furnishings:

      [*]We can bring a lot with us, some things will of course be missing. We have no illusions about that. It will look a bit bare in the beginning.
      [*]We have all essentials (bedroom, living room, study). The rest will have to be acquired little by little...
      [LIST]
      [*]This also shows where the surplus will go in the first months/years. Goodbye vacation!
      [*]Or rather: the investment portfolio is still in the background – capital gains not included



Regarding children:

    [*]If one is honest with oneself: I can’t say if one year is enough. Currently I would answer “yes”. But what will happen, I don’t know, but…:
    [*]… family is nearby (which is why we became so specific about the property), mothers retire soon (for emergency childcare, e.g.)
    [*]With 20 hours that would be about €1,800 net/month, so like the parental allowance, theoretically feasible. But we talked more about over 30 hours and should therefore concentrate on that (€2,314 net)
    [*]By the way: our bigger concern is... What if it doesn’t work out with the kids? Then you have a house with 5 rooms and a garden but no use for it (then maybe one has to make a gym...)





Hello ypg,

the property will be located south of Hamburg virtually directly on the Elbe (but not in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd dike row). Building plots are rather scarce in the agglomeration and usually very small. We already find the 510 sqm borderline... My suspicion is that since single-family homes are politically rather unwanted, not many building plots for single-family homes will be designated due to high land consumption. Also, I do not expect new build prices to fall due to rising building material prices as well as — also inflation-driven — higher wage increases. For existing buildings, I could imagine stagnant or even falling prices more easily.

We will (hopefully) look at the construction specifications in detail on Wednesday. We have an appointment then.

    [*]Terrace and driveway are included (see above), carport not (but that can wait and is allowed according to the development plan)

Question: Why would you set the repayment higher initially and reduce it if necessary instead of solving this via the special repayment, which would be controllable in amount? Because with the higher rate there is also less liquidity available for “other” things and thus it is a zero-sum game (either higher special repayment or higher rate or vice versa). Thinking error?

PS: At 2% repayment we would already be at €2,607.73/month.

As you can see, not quite so simple (at least in our eyes). What do you say with the additional information?

I sincerely thank you for your help!
 

kati1337

2022-10-24 21:45:08
  • #5

That all sounds not bad so far, and there are clearly worse offers.

Check again: the plot is developed, house connection is included – but what about the costs for the supply lines up to the house connection? Electricity, water, telecom have to be brought in, a trench has to be dug on your plot and lines laid. That cost us around 6-8,000 euros back then in Lower Saxony, I believe.

Regarding the earthworks, see if the depth of the foundation pit is limited. In Lower Saxony, you often have to dig deeper than included in the contract to find load-bearing soil. Disposal included is already great; that’s also expensive.

Fencing and a tree don’t cost the world, and don’t have to be done immediately. I don’t see a big problem there.



Painting work in Q2 could be tight. Search for the topic here in the forum; there are many threads about it. Q2 is not smooth. You can wallpaper over it with textured wallpaper, but it’s not suitable for anything finer. Also clarify: are textured wallpaper / painting included in the price? Doing it yourself is a lot of work (and the material also comes to several thousand), and if you get it done, for a whole house you can easily end up in five figures again.

For electricity, I would also consider if you want spots somewhere. Kitchen or bathroom are classic spots for that. That is often a money sink. Or LAN sockets, extra outdoor sockets, additional chasing work. Check the SmartHome package to see if it really has everything you need. I would plan a buffer of 5-10k euros for electricity just to be safe.


You can live with that for now, I don’t see that as a taboo for the project. Many building families do it like this.


Family nearby is worth its weight in gold. But you have to be careful how much you rely on it. We had this here for a few weeks recently – grandmas are totally different to grandchildren than moms were to their kids in earlier times. After 6 weeks of grandma daycare, you a) as a parent are completely exhausted, and b) you have to check if the child doesn’t have diabetes. :P

If I were you, I would calculate scenarios with 20 hours and also one where one of you can’t work until the child is, say, 2 years old. Just to be sure it wouldn’t be financial harakiri. Unless you have a firm commitment from the grandparents that they can cover it. But that is already a big commitment. We notice it right now, our 3-year-old "wild bumblebee" (pediatrician’s words) is a handful, and my mum is no spring chicken anymore. I wouldn’t want to burden her for a whole year to bridge my working hours with the child. If you have several grandparents who could alternate, that would be something else again.



I wouldn’t worry about that until I have contrary experience. There are many difficult family stories and unfulfilled wishes for children, but honestly, it works quite naturally for a significant part of society. I wouldn’t think about that beforehand, as it brings the kind of stress into the "process" that makes it harder. Rely on biology first.

And if you belong to the unlucky families – there are also ways and means, until all are exhausted: never say never. And until then you have at least no financial stress with your property. Such a fitness room is not bad, by the way. ;)
 

ypg

2022-10-24 21:50:11
  • #6
4th row? I know that… that’s where I grew up :D Since it is a developer house, the additional construction costs should be covered.
 

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