Land register entry - One owner, two debtors possible?

  • Erstellt am 2018-01-29 02:58:39

ypg

2018-01-29 14:35:50
  • #1
Maybe now summarized objectively. Your question is a feast for a lively forum like ours here ;)



No, if anything, you are both listed as clients in the contract for work. That is also good: For a building permit, both must sign.
If one is unable at some point, the other is also available as a contact person.



You are both debtors with the lender and therefore both have to answer for the debt.
This also applies in the event of a separation: if one is stubborn and does not pay their share, the bank turns to the other. They do not care from whom they get the money. The main thing is that it comes. To put it bluntly: You stay in the house, do not pay, and are unreachable. Your girlfriend is caught off guard but is reachable for the bank, so she has to take responsibility for the debts... <- short version



In the land register, regardless of the borrower or contract for work/client, the future owner is registered. That should – fairly – be those who are also debtors of the loan. Then there are no problems. How you agree later is another matter. Of course, you can agree otherwise if one “brings in” the parents’ property or takes on the entire financing alone.
But even in the generations of my parents (probably your grandparents), it was usual for both spouses to be listed as owners in the land register, even if only the father earned money and the mother took care of child-rearing.



You can record this in a private contract. Some advise going to a lawyer/notary for this – I see it that a private contract is also valid if it is properly drawn up. Of course, both must sign.
 

11ant

2018-01-29 14:56:38
  • #2
Exactly. Because of this "division of labor" after "common-law marriages," which is not so rare – "he lives there – she pays" – I would insist on security in the land register (I mean a land charge, joint ownership does not have to be) in the girlfriend’s place.
 

Bieber0815

2018-01-29 15:20:42
  • #3
If both enter into the contract for work and services, both owe the payment for work. In this respect, debtor was already correct. The contractor can then assert his claims against both. And conversely, it is usually contractually fixed that each client may make decisions alone.

With all due respect: Anyone who asks like this will not manage a contract of this magnitude (hundreds of thousands of euros) on their own. There are specialists for this (certainly good ones and less good ones) and it’s not even that expensive. Therefore, I strongly advise against self-drafted arrangements. If you really need them, "stricter conditions" usually apply. This should be taken into account when drafting, i.e., it should be watertight.

Of course, the substantive agreement of both must precede this. Only when they both know what they want can it be fixed in writing (or a standard can be used, for example marriage).
 

HilfeHilfe

2018-01-29 17:40:57
  • #4
Sorry, then your acquaintance was stupid. Payments were being made toward the loan, right, or did she receive money for the repayment portion or her work in the garden, landscaping, etc.? Did she benefit from any increase in value? The second problem is the bank. It neither has to release a debtor from liability nor approve a debtor change.
 

ypg

2018-01-29 18:36:30
  • #5




It is completely irrelevant whether married or not. Such scenarios can occur in both constellations.


I’m not talking about contracts juggling thousands of euros.
I’m talking about contracts in which you secure yourself contractually in case of separation within, for example, 5 years, where one party takes over the house with all subsequent costs (land register etc.), the other party classifies their contribution until then as rent-like and waives further rights or payments on the house. From the 6th year on, or when the repayment has already significantly reached a (five-figure) positive number, a corresponding payout is made. Etc.... all just examples.
I myself have already signed, filed away, and let some of these contracts expire -> once even executed afterwards and therefore found it good and practical.
You just have to agree on it and lay it out objectively. And honestly: criminal energies, rental nomadism, faking financial circumstances, etc... character falseness doesn’t develop suddenly, one has it in their blood. One can already recognize that in early relationship status.
 

Alex85

2018-01-29 19:57:36
  • #6


My acquaintance is the "he" who still lives there. ;)

I’ll say again clearly, I wouldn’t do it that way either and wouldn’t advise the ladies to do something like that.

Besides, the lady is rather on the smart side. And pragmatic too.

Ultimately, sufficiently well-off without having to chase after some small change. Because you have to consider what kind of value is being paid off. You talk about increase in value. Well, she lived there for 3-4 years, paid a few hundred euros monthly. Much less than an apartment or a house with a garden would have cost in rent. The shack is on his parents’ land, over 100 years family property. Ordinary people can’t buy or rent anything there.

No one pays you for gardening work in a rental property either. You do it and enjoy it, then the next person enjoys it if it lasts.

Return? Sure, maybe fictitiously, because not realizable, but if she has the attitude of the tenant, so what? She may have put in around 20-25K euros, say 5% return over time—should he now give her 1000 euros just out of decency? Neither him nor her cares.

They don’t argue at all, it’s not worth the amount.
 

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