Klinker veneer cost per sqm - surcharge justified?

ok, theory understood. call it for my sake "house with flat roof and staggered floor"

since you obviously know a lot about wall construction, please name a few numbers (sqm prices). that was actually my question here. whether a more sensible wall construction or not, I can decide later. my concern is to have a basis for argumentation for the price negotiation with the [bu].

greetings Stefan

A lot of opinion does not always mean a lot of knowledge.

... The surcharge for the planned clinker slips is a bit surprising. The surcharge compared to normal ETICS alone amounts to €51,000. I have now gone through all the plans and measured the wall surfaces from our 3D model. Here I come to a total area of 311 sqm. ...

The price is comprehensible, about €200/sqm can definitely be charged. It always depends a bit on the specific house, the material used, how the joints are executed, etc. etc. etc.

Muschelkalk might still be a "cost-effective" alternative for the facade cladding... no, just kidding

Not necessarily bad - but this is not Bauhaus style, this is Hornbach style

Why, it’s square with a flat roof, it HAS to be Bauhaus style

since you obviously know a lot about wall construction, then please name a few numbers (sqm prices). that was actually my question here.

Having a lot of opinions does not always mean having a lot of knowledge.

Mine, quite frankly, does not focus on daily prices of building materials. Basically, I wanted to explain why, in my opinion, it can indeed be credible that facing bricks in this constellation do not cost less than full clinker bricks. However, I can gladly provide some numbers: about 8 cm additional thickness for the full clinker bricks alone, with an air layer it becomes ten. Behind that is usually stone wool; in thickness, it does not make a difference compared to the foam boards of the ETICS. In total, therefore, practically ten cm more, since the facing shell does not carry any structural load. Assuming that 24 cm construction wall shell was planned so far and it is reduced to 17.5 cm, you still end up with 3.5 cm more wall thickness.

I want to have a basis for argumentation for the price negotiation with the contractor.

It always depends a bit on the specific house, materials used, how the joints are executed, etc. etc. etc.

I see it similarly. There is hardly any room for negotiation; the additional effort lies in the labor-intensive processing. If complaints are to be avoided, the contractor must assign his best man, and unlike the so nicely named "screed Ahmeds" by Karsten, this is a permanently employed worker covered by a collective agreement.

All clear. How long do you estimate the brick cladding will take approximately (i.e., sticking the slip bricks). Can 2 men manage that in 4 weeks? As I said, it's just over 300 sqm of wall surface.

Regards

how long do you estimate the brick cladding takes approximately (i.e. sticking on the slips)? Can two men manage that in 4 weeks?

What I would clearly prefer over the average of the speculations in the forum would simply be the information from the construction contractor. I also think that it’s not just the sticking itself, but that the insulation boards have to be applied at a different level of precision, e.g. regarding the flushness of the joints and the disc anchors. I stick to the view that for a full cladding, slips would not be my preferred option.