Specki
2020-04-11 09:58:52
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Hello everyone,
I need a bit of support with our project. Since some of you have probably already gone through this, I thought I might get some good tips here.
Starting point:
Plot available
A single-family house (possibly with a granny flat) is to be built.
Currently 2 adults with 2 children (2 and 4 years old). The house will be used by us. The plan is to put a small granny flat upstairs, which will be rented out later when the children have left the house.
The following (relevant) specifications from the development plan of 1974:
- Roof ridge direction East-West
- Mandatory single storey
- Knee wall max. 50 cm
- Roof pitch between 22° and 28°
Attached is an excerpt from the development plan. The plot outlined in purple is the relevant one. The houses marked in red do not exist, they were only inserted for planning purposes.
We would like to rotate the roof ridge direction and raise the knee wall to 1 m, or better 1.25 m, because otherwise the house will be too small.
I first went to the building authority and talked to the responsible lady there.
She looked at it and said it is not a problem from her side at first, but I have to talk to the district office (LRA), they have to approve it. She gave me the contact.
Then I called the gentleman from the LRA. He said it will be difficult. I should send the whole thing as a written preliminary building inquiry. I then sent an email to the gentleman from the LRA as well as the lady from the building authority.
After a relatively short time, the answer came from the LRA.
Quote:
"the development plan “XXX” of the city of XXX is certainly somewhat outdated and nowadays the specified house types would certainly look different. However, the development plan still represents the legal basis for the granting of building permits – a planned construction project must therefore comply with the provisions made there.
The requirement for the roof ridge direction at the planned location is more of an aesthetic regulation than an urban development overriding objective – subject to the approval of the city of Buchloe, a (to be applied for) dispensation can therefore be promised for the rotation of the roof ridge direction.
It is different with the requirement for the knee wall. This is a regulation with urban planning and structural planning background. So far, no exemptions have apparently been granted in this regard, so your planning must be based on the existing regulations. An exemption can not be granted by the district office of Ostallgäu after consultation with our building lawyer. To achieve a corresponding knee wall increase or possibly the creation of a second full storey, the development plan would have to be changed in this area."
After that, I first gave up and sent another email asking whether at least the roof pitch could be changed. This was done a week ago, no answer yet.
The day before yesterday I met someone else from the building authority of the city. He was working behind our plot on the road that is supposed to go there.
I chatted a bit with him. He said he understands that we want to deviate from the development plan. He himself has no influence on this topic because he is not responsible for it. I am already with the right gentleman from the LRA and the right lady from the municipality. I just have to talk to the gentleman from the LRA again. Possibly get approval from the neighbors or the people in the same building area (marked in blue on the plan) for my deviation.
He said it will not be easy, because of equality and because otherwise everyone would want to deviate.
A change of the development plan would be unrealistic and would take up to two years. I can forget about that, especially since there are only three free building plots left in that area.
So this is the situation.
We definitely want to raise the knee wall a bit.
We do not want to build a bungalow, as too much garden space would be lost.
And with 50 cm knee wall you really do not get decent rooms upstairs.
I am grateful for any tips or suggestions on how we could still achieve our goal.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards
Specki

I need a bit of support with our project. Since some of you have probably already gone through this, I thought I might get some good tips here.
Starting point:
Plot available
A single-family house (possibly with a granny flat) is to be built.
Currently 2 adults with 2 children (2 and 4 years old). The house will be used by us. The plan is to put a small granny flat upstairs, which will be rented out later when the children have left the house.
The following (relevant) specifications from the development plan of 1974:
- Roof ridge direction East-West
- Mandatory single storey
- Knee wall max. 50 cm
- Roof pitch between 22° and 28°
Attached is an excerpt from the development plan. The plot outlined in purple is the relevant one. The houses marked in red do not exist, they were only inserted for planning purposes.
We would like to rotate the roof ridge direction and raise the knee wall to 1 m, or better 1.25 m, because otherwise the house will be too small.
I first went to the building authority and talked to the responsible lady there.
She looked at it and said it is not a problem from her side at first, but I have to talk to the district office (LRA), they have to approve it. She gave me the contact.
Then I called the gentleman from the LRA. He said it will be difficult. I should send the whole thing as a written preliminary building inquiry. I then sent an email to the gentleman from the LRA as well as the lady from the building authority.
After a relatively short time, the answer came from the LRA.
Quote:
"the development plan “XXX” of the city of XXX is certainly somewhat outdated and nowadays the specified house types would certainly look different. However, the development plan still represents the legal basis for the granting of building permits – a planned construction project must therefore comply with the provisions made there.
The requirement for the roof ridge direction at the planned location is more of an aesthetic regulation than an urban development overriding objective – subject to the approval of the city of Buchloe, a (to be applied for) dispensation can therefore be promised for the rotation of the roof ridge direction.
It is different with the requirement for the knee wall. This is a regulation with urban planning and structural planning background. So far, no exemptions have apparently been granted in this regard, so your planning must be based on the existing regulations. An exemption can not be granted by the district office of Ostallgäu after consultation with our building lawyer. To achieve a corresponding knee wall increase or possibly the creation of a second full storey, the development plan would have to be changed in this area."
After that, I first gave up and sent another email asking whether at least the roof pitch could be changed. This was done a week ago, no answer yet.
The day before yesterday I met someone else from the building authority of the city. He was working behind our plot on the road that is supposed to go there.
I chatted a bit with him. He said he understands that we want to deviate from the development plan. He himself has no influence on this topic because he is not responsible for it. I am already with the right gentleman from the LRA and the right lady from the municipality. I just have to talk to the gentleman from the LRA again. Possibly get approval from the neighbors or the people in the same building area (marked in blue on the plan) for my deviation.
He said it will not be easy, because of equality and because otherwise everyone would want to deviate.
A change of the development plan would be unrealistic and would take up to two years. I can forget about that, especially since there are only three free building plots left in that area.
So this is the situation.
We definitely want to raise the knee wall a bit.
We do not want to build a bungalow, as too much garden space would be lost.
And with 50 cm knee wall you really do not get decent rooms upstairs.
I am grateful for any tips or suggestions on how we could still achieve our goal.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards
Specki