How and when is payment made?

  • Erstellt am 2015-06-10 22:03:12

laemat

2015-06-19 12:50:29
  • #1
Then mechanical engineers are in the same field as civil engineers... who also always think they know about surveying :D Meanwhile, the graduate surveyors are the only ones who really have the overview!! ;)
 

Bieber0815

2015-06-22 21:58:18
  • #2
Yes, hmm, what was the problem? If the customer thought he could contribute his own static calculations and save real money, then he is stupid. If he only did the calculations to understand and plausibility-check the invoice of the (himself paid!) structural engineer, then it's okay. You just talk about it briefly and that's it. I admit: I do not know the whole case, only the lines above...

Maybe. Another perspective: the developer was not able to explain the topic understandably to his customer (who is the one who ultimately pays). It might have been one way or the other; I am the last person to deny that there are exhausting, stupid customers!!!

I would not completely endorse your post now, but at least those last sentences in essence.

Even I as a customer (I pay a fortune! I am a layperson, my counterpart is an expert!) have the right to have things explained to me. I don’t want to hear "We always do it this way"; "You do ask questions!"; "No one has ever asked that before!"; "What is your profession anyway?". I would often like to hear: You can do it this way or that way, pros/cons, costs.
 

Bauexperte

2015-06-22 22:24:32
  • #3
Good evening,


You say ...


What else can I say except that the structural engineer recommended a different foundation due to a combination of "x" and "y"? Since I assumed both could meet on equal terms, I established a phone connection to the structural engineer during the conversation. It did not really change the fundamental discussion regarding deviations from the owed building contract ....


With all due respect - this statement from Payday is nonsense. A reputable provider will not come at you with statements like "we have always done it this way." He will patiently explain until the penny (hopefully) drops. On the other hand, I have recently replied a few times with "no one has ever asked me that before," but with the addition "I will answer this question at the next appointment." I already have many answers, but certainly not to all questions ;)

Rhenish regards
 

Saruss

2015-06-23 16:27:28
  • #4
I know that the machine builders in my field always have issues to crack, and yet, when a craftsman sometimes tells me that this or that is better / not so great, then many years of experience are behind that. It is worth thinking about that. Even though I have stuck my "nose" everywhere and have adjusted almost everything, everything was actually good from the professionals. Only the brine drilling I had drilled a bit deeper, but only to increase efficiency. Aside from that, I also have the tender texts/specifications for all trades, and there are really worlds of difference compared to the specification "such and such size and white". The window builder also filled quite a few pages. If you only give the dimensions and hardly any information, comparable offers never come out in life (if at all).
 

Bieber0815

2015-06-23 23:24:39
  • #5
Yeah, no idea :D. It's obvious that even the most communicative, open, and factually correct, extensively informative developer will eventually encounter a customer (Murphy!) who doesn't understand any of it and is resistant to advice. (I used to be a DJ, I know this kind of thing ... :rolleyes:).

Honestly, with "our" developer I have exactly that impression (this is meant positively, a compliment).

The layperson only knows afterward whether they have found one. And skeptical people expect the worst (the common saying also knows that when building, basically everything always goes wrong, you always pay more [than previously planned; than appropriate], ...)

It’s a bit like buying a (used) car. There is a huge power/information gap between the parties. Some bear this with resignation, others try to close the gap. The seller, if they cannot choose their customers, must be able to deal with this.
 

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