We have a Bosch TES7... I think it is basically the same as the mentioned Siemens. I can actually recommend it so far - it has nearly 1700 milk coffee creations used :D You can take out the brew group and clean it... whether you believe it or not, you should do that despite the cleaning program - once white mold even grew there (not so dramatic, since it was after the brew group - still very nice to be able to clean it properly manually). The downside of this thing is the quite high amount of plastic... but well, it only costs "just" 800 € and not 3000 € - or rather, I think fully automatic machines made of metal are generally hard to build. Exactly this machine is no longer available, only the successor.