Fine staking is wrong, who is to blame?

  • Erstellt am 2021-05-22 15:47:18

Tolentino

2021-05-22 19:55:43
  • #1
I would deduct the 200 EUR from the invoice for the foundation slab builder after all. Let him sue for it. Provided you don’t want anything else from him. (Abwasser, Außenanlagen, Garage oder so)
 

Escroda

2021-05-22 20:19:16
  • #2
Nah, that only costs time and nerves that the builder will surely need for solving other problems. He will do that anyway, since he delivered his service according to contract (provided that he actually did, but that has nothing to do with the renewed fine staking). The whole thing just went badly. A builder who is not building his third house cannot overlook such details. Acquittal. So the surveyor does not have the dimensions of the slab at all and therefore cannot stake it out, which is also not standard, so he does not ask. Acquittal. Correct. From his point of view. He is a slab builder. What does he care about the finished house? He builds the slab. Of course the slab dimensions are staked out, so he does not ask. Acquittal. The best thing would be if the foreman and the surveyor meet at the construction site. While the surveyor positions his total station, the foreman drives in the batter boards. Then they look at the plans together and agree on the dimensions. Then the nails are driven in and everything is documented in the fine staking sketch. Would be, would be, bicycle chain... tuition fee.
 

Tolentino

2021-05-22 20:26:04
  • #3
Yes, it may be that I am simply fed up with craftsmen who indulge their incompetence and/or laziness at the expense of the lay builder, who of course initially naively accepts everything the first person tells him and thus gets caught in the crossfire.
 

i_b_n_a_n

2021-05-22 21:37:30
  • #4
Whoever willingly puts themselves in danger will perish in it. In this case, it was the client who was too stingy to hire someone other than himself as the site manager. The incompetence therefore lies with no one else but himself. Nevertheless, I can understand your motivation for the text since in reality it is often the case. And no one likes to spend the client's money (waste it) as much as unskilled craftsmen.
 

maxx004

2021-05-22 22:49:56
  • #5
Thanks to everyone for your contributions, you summarized it nicely. Then I will take over the 200€ and "write it off".


Actually, we basically have a professional for every role
* overall site manager
* architect
* site manager from the prefab house builder
* sworn building expert (for construction supervision)

Would the coordination surveyor<>foundation builder have been the responsibility of the overall site manager and I did his work? Or did I misunderstand you?
 

hausnrplus25

2021-05-22 23:01:28
  • #6


If he can’t do that, then yes, it’s poor. If he knows! But why even have a survey if in the end he still has to calculate mentally?! What nonsense!?
I also don’t say please measure 12.38m for me, even though the floor slab is only 12.14m?! ....

And this little issue shows me again that as a client you are often the best construction manager. Because obviously no one you commissioned felt responsible for it. So you have to coordinate again who is actually responsible for the coordination and control of the trades, documents, etc. ....

We are already tired that our counterparts often choose the easy way and/or don’t think ahead. But it is OUR house and our project, and as long as the executed work is of good quality, we take over the management and the thinking and are still grateful for good work, because exactly that part we cannot take over ourselves, the thinking we can. After all, it is our house and no one else is as deeply involved in the details as we are.
 

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