Electrical planning / lighting planning / network for new construction - experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2023-09-20 17:50:03

hanse987

2023-09-21 22:18:44
  • #1

If only the cable without a socket comes out of the ceiling, then you have the problem of where the cable should go, because the back side of the APs usually only has a very small hollow space. You can put a field-installable connector on a patch cable, but it is so bulky that you can’t insert it into the access point. Usually, you put a keystone module on the patch cable and then use a short patch cable to the access point. The rest of the patch cable, keystone module, and patch cable are hidden in the socket box, and the access point is mounted over it. With a suspended ceiling, you don’t need a socket because you can push the cable back into the ceiling cavity. Didn’t you get any information beforehand?


If someone plugs in their laptop at night, they are directly in your entire network. Do you want that? Access to the network sockets must be prevented. Either you install the network sockets in a lockable box or you set up a RADIUS server in your network. But the easiest would be to mount an outdoor access point. I would mount it at a height that requires at least a ladder to reach it.
 

Gregor_K

2023-09-21 23:00:22
  • #2


I oriented the planning of the ceiling outlets on the kitchen layout. For example, kitchen cabinet 60cm deep and distance between the kitchen island and kitchen cabinet 1m. Half of that makes 0.6m + 0.5m = 1.1m. Then the ceiling outlet is exactly centered between the kitchen island and kitchen cabinet.

I don't know what you mean by gridding, halving, diagonals. Can you explain that more precisely, preferably with an example?



To be honest, I'm not yet sure what we will do here.

Idea 1: My first idea was to install 4 spots and a larger lamp above the stove. I (still?) don't want to lower the ceiling because our room height is only about 2.55m. Therefore, I would take surface-mounted spots.

Idea 2: Simply distribute 3 ceiling lights with relatively high brightness in the room, e.g. 1900 lumens. Above the stove a nice extractor hood.

Idea 3: Suspended ceiling with many spots and a larger lamp in the middle.

What do you think? I'm currently leaning towards idea 2.



The DIN 18015-2 specifies how many light outlets a room should have. That’s why the question with 16.5 sqm. The DIN states that everything from 16 sqm should have 2 ceiling outlets.
 

Gregor_K

2023-09-21 23:12:52
  • #3


No, not really yet. My "network time" was a few years ago. In case of doubt, I would have said that I would connect the access point directly with the patch cable. Of course, that's not clean. How would you solve this?



Good point! Of course, I don't want that. My idea here was to create a virtual network for the outdoor area that only has access to the internet. But that's not ideal either. Better to leave it out?
 

ypg

2023-09-22 00:04:51
  • #4
I said it in my example: ceiling light is not work lighting. You need light near the board and hand. If you plan an extractor hood, then you don’t need light there because it is integrated in the hood. As already said, this is all inconsistent. Why is no work lighting planned in the kitchen design?
 

kbt09

2023-09-22 07:27:32
  • #5
And what exactly is this light supposed to illuminate? Lighting planning is also part of the kitchen planning, where light is needed at the worktop.
 

xMisterDx

2023-09-22 08:02:50
  • #6
Just build an access point, mounted outside or inside on the wall, that you only turn on when you want to work outside?

Our children's rooms are 15.5m² and I wouldn't know what to do with 2 ceiling outlets there? The older one has a chandelier, if I screw in 5x8 watt LEDs there, you’d think you’re standing on a beach in Dubai under full sun in the middle of the night... I have 2 outlets in the 40m² living room. A floor lamp will go by the desk anyway, a bedside lamp by the bed. The dressing table has integrated lighting, how much more do you need?

In the kitchen, people usually have upper cabinets? Light strips are recessed there. Otherwise? Pendant lights, especially for islands or free legs possibly with a bar, you want the light where you chop, not at 2.5m height. For overall lighting, especially if you can see from the living room into the kitchen, think about "indirect" lighting. So a wall light, for example, that you can’t see from the living room.

If you’re thinking so much about it and it’s obviously that important to you, go to a lighting planner.
 

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