Decision KfW55 vs. KfW40 plus

  • Erstellt am 2019-12-01 23:44:37

ypg

2019-12-02 21:46:20
  • #1
The forum has a search: with the term KfW40 you will surely get enlightenment here. The topic is discussed every month. You can roughly calculate the savings by comparing 55% to 40%. With heating costs of a hundred in a KfW100 house, you save 15€ per month going from 55 to 40.
 

John333

2019-12-02 22:30:47
  • #2
Thank you very much for the many helpful answers. Photovoltaics + storage are NOT part of the GÜ's offer, but are estimated data from me – sorry for the confusion. I will now do the following:
    [*]Ask the GÜ for data on photovoltaics + storage [*]Have the additional costs for KfW40 plus itemized according to: additional insulation, photovoltaic system, storage, central ventilation system, other (in case there are any additional items here) [*]Have the maximum possible photovoltaic system calculated + have an offer made [*]Have an offer made for the preparation of a photovoltaic system (e.g. cable duct) in order to be able to outsource the photovoltaic system as a trade if necessary. It should not cost much but maybe the question will cause the GÜ to make a more attractive offer themselves
Then we will see further …
 

Dr Hix

2019-12-02 22:31:18
  • #3


The eponymous origin of the 55 or 40 is the primary energy demand, which however

1) only represents a maximum value
2) has no significance regarding heating costs, since it is primarily politically (and thus de facto arbitrarily) determined

A hut with insulation at passive house level in which a gas boiler has been installed does not even achieve KFW70 on paper, but is unlikely to produce 400€ heating costs per year. A KFW55 new building with an air-to-water heat pump and poorly dimensioned underfloor heating meets the subsidy conditions on paper but can easily cause the occupants 1500€ heating costs per year.

@Te

I would approach it as : If you want photovoltaic and centralized controlled residential ventilation anyway, the extra cost of ~17k is bearable. If only one of these is desired, better to stay at 55 and award separately.
 

Farilo

2019-12-02 23:43:37
  • #4
I see it more like this, since

Neither of the KfW options will pay off economically. You should be aware of that.
 

fragg

2019-12-03 09:02:49
  • #5

You don’t need to go into that much detail.

What’s interesting is which photovoltaic system will be installed. If you get a photovoltaic system with 5 kWp and a 5 kW storage installed, it roughly corresponds to a value of 10–15k net. A ventilation system has an additional cost of roughly 5–10k.

You have to pay an extra 25k, funding is 10k, leaving 15k remaining; you get up to 25k just from the technology + savings on heating/hot water + tax refund on photovoltaics + green conscience + thicker wall + …

As I said, it is important to know which photovoltaic system is installed. And you need a separate invoice for that because of the tax refund.

Because, purely mathematically, for KfW40+ a 2.5 kWp photovoltaic and a 2.5 kW storage would be sufficient. But that would be nonsense; then I would have that calculated separately and outsourced.
 

John333

2019-12-17 23:41:33
  • #6
Hello everyone,
I have obtained the missing information from the general contractor:

    [*
      Photovoltaics + storage: Minimum according to KfW requirements, i.e. approx. 2.7 kWp for us
      [*]Additional costs broken down (net):
      [LIST]
      [*]Photovoltaics + storage: €13k
      [*]Planstein 42.5 cm + additional insulation: €8k
      [*]The central ventilation system was already included in the price and is therefore not part of the surcharge for KfW 40 plus! Omitting it would of course be possible and would save €4k.


Then the KfW 40plus package probably really does not make economic sense for us.
I will now get offers for a maximally large, turnkey photovoltaic system.
Do you have tips on how to find providers that deliver high-quality work?

 

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