Collaboration with architects

They wanted to know from us how the house should look. Afterwards, a draft was made. Costs were never mentioned, so I assume that he cannot demand anything. We never wanted to obtain anything by deception and I have not mentioned anywhere here that I do not want to pay - only that it was never requested!!! I don’t know where you get the right to portray me here as if I wanted to obtain services dishonestly. The plan was not made to our satisfaction. Not even after replanning three times! Although we had the plans then, we could do nothing with them because they did not correspond to what we wanted. With the well-known architect we then went to, there is a plan and it fit immediately.

I have not personally attacked anyone and I am sometimes really surprised what some people here allow themselves and the tone in which the comments come.

Hello,

They wanted to know from us how the house should look. A draft was then made. There was never any talk of costs, so I assume he cannot charge anything.

Yes, he can! The moment you ask him to create drafts for you – and he does not say that he will make them for free – you have concluded an oral contract. The internet is full of judgments on this matter.

We never wanted to obtain anything unfairly and I have never said here that I don’t want to pay anything.

You wrote in your reply from 19.02.13:

"...We took the plans with us but they could not charge us anything, since nothing was put in writing."

This implies for every reader here that even in the case of invoicing you are not willing to pay for the effort incurred, because you assume exactly that no contract was concluded. Since E.Curb is an architect in real life, he naturally takes such statements personally. I assume he is not having this discussion for the first time.

- only that it was never demanded!!! I don’t know where you get the right to portray me here as if I want to unfairly obtain any services.

From the same date:

"If he says it was agreed and you say no it wasn’t, what can he do??? Statement against statement and so on. We were told that if you didn’t sign anything, he cannot demand money from you either. Unless he recorded a tape and has that proof."

Probably based on your above statement; I could also say based on experience. In the worst case, you will be surprised how easy it is to prove to you an infringement of copyright!

I have not attacked anyone personally and am sometimes really surprised what some people here allow themselves and in what tone the comments come.

First of all, this is not a cuddle group and even less a wish concert. E.Curb certainly did not err in tone nor personally attack you, but responded from his – understandable to me – perspective of your arguments.

Almost all questions from users here are answered objectively and competently either from the perspective of architects, energy consultants, craftsmen, sellers, or often from experienced property owners. It does you absolutely no good if these "helpers" sugarcoat things for you; that only solidifies your layman knowledge and otherwise gets you nowhere.

So if you post supposed "truths," you have to be able to live with the professional feedback ;)

Best regards