Bus system / home installation, looking for advice, cost plan

The problem here is not (only) the material price of the components but the incredible costs the electrician wants for planning/configuration of the installed components...

It is then acted as if the whole thing is highly complicated... although with some knowledge of technology you can read up on it yourself in a short time..

And the best thing is that for every change you want to have done again, you have to call the electrician who then puts in an invoice of 200€ for turning one byte.... -.-

My tip: buy ETS software yourself (costs ~1000€) and then do the planning yourself.... then you can also change something yourself anytime if you want to install new sensors or if something bothers you about the old program...

I have to intervene here. The creation of the offer is free for the customer! It is often forgotten that this costs money, not every offer is actually carried out.
I can also add what electricians have to be able to do nowadays.
-Electrical installation
-Bus systems
-Antenna/Sat
-Network technology/Fiber optics
-Telecommunication ISDN/DSL/IP
-Household appliances
-Heating technology
-Lighting technology
Each sub-area is actually a complete specialized field and is supplemented with constant training, since he must be a specialist everywhere.
The technician hour is charged by us at 35 euros net.
We don’t even dare to charge master hours.
If I now compare some "IT specialist" who probably doesn't even have training, with about 60 euros, then I don’t understand the world anymore.

Of course, you can save money with your own work, as long as you understand what you are doing.
I mean in terms of safety, with knowledge of VDE/TAB UVV, etc.
Working together with an electrician is clearly the better alternative here.
But usually it goes differently:
Advice and offer from the electrician, buy on the Internet, install yourself, realize that it is not so easy after all, call the electrician for help, and complain about the incredible (41.65) hourly wage...

Best regards, your master electrician

Then I can also add what an electrician should be able to do nowadays.
-Electrical installation
-Bus systems
-Antenna/Sat
-Network technology/Fiber optics
-Telecommunication ISDN/DSL/IP
-Household appliances
-Heating technology
-Lighting technology
Each sub-area is actually a complete specialized field and is supplemented with ongoing training, since he has to be an expert everywhere.

Yeah, and exactly for that reason hardly any electrician is really an expert in all areas... the chance of meeting someone who has only done 1-2 trainings on bus systems and now puts together a suboptimal configuration for you is not exactly low...

Sure, you can save money by doing it yourself, as long as you understand what you are doing.
I mean safety-wise, with knowledge of VDE/TAB UVV etc.
Working together with an electrician is clearly the better alternative here.

Don’t get me wrong! I’m not talking about doing the entire electrical work yourself! I’m talking about making the configuration of the installed bus participants yourself!

Electricians are there for the hardware! Programming is not a core competence of an electrician!

I’m also not saying against an hourly rate of 40-50€ etc... But at a certain point I can just buy the software myself, get somewhat familiar with it and then continuously work on my system until everything runs the way I want...

My electricians are already struggling with laying the [Leerrohre]. I'm curious to see how it will progress. But it's best to keep checking repeatedly.

my electricians are already struggling with laying the empty conduits.

I'm curious to see how it will continue.

But it's best to keep checking again and again.

Then you should think about whether this is the right company for this. If you can already recognize that as a layperson.
On the other hand, usually only between 5 and 7 TE are spent on an electrical installation. For developers, often even less, and the developer's surcharge is included here. You can imagine what the hourly wages of the workers who work here are like or the level of expertise of these workers.
I've had construction sites where only the bathtub cost more than the entire electrical installation. And during the selection of the switch materials, it was said, oh... the standard switch program is quite expensive...
Not to be misunderstood... but unfortunately I experience this too often.

Yeah, and that's exactly why hardly any electrician is really an expert in all areas... the chance of meeting someone who has only done 1-2 trainings on the bus topic and now puts together a suboptimal configuration for you is not exactly low...



Don't get me wrong! I'm not talking about doing the entire electrical work yourself! I'm talking about doing the configuration of the installed bus participants yourself!

Electricians are there for the hardware! Programming is not a core competency of an electrician!

I'm not saying anything against an hourly rate of 40-50€ etc... But at a certain point, I can just buy the software myself, get a bit into it, and then continuously work on my system until everything runs the way I want it...

I hope I was not misunderstood either. I think it's good when the builder engages with "their" electrical system and also programs it themselves. I always support this, after all, they should be able to understand the added value of their system themselves.

What I actually wanted to say in general about bus systems or electrical installation in general. For example, we offer the customer the best solution for their project.

This does not always have to be a bus system necessarily. I have often advised builders against it because I noticed that the technical understanding simply was not there, or it was completely unclear what was actually supposed to be achieved with the bus system. Also, the statement: Then I can also control the blinds with my iPhone usually makes me smile.

After half a year, no one uses this expensive installed function anyway.

I don't want to badmouth anyone's ideas or the possibilities that such a system offers here, but rather everyone should think beforehand about what makes sense and is worth their money, and what is just an expensive gimmick.

Then the additional costs also remain somewhat manageable. Have a nice evening...

Well, I'm not a complete layman.. I come from an electrical profession --> and have also done some house installations before >> although that was a long time ago.. and I'm probably no longer up to date either. Unfortunately, I just don't have the time to take care of everything. It was probably the case that only the pins were sent to the construction site.