Water on ground slab, cause and leak unknown

  • Erstellt am 2018-03-21 10:39:02

miho

2018-03-21 11:22:10
  • #1
From your description of the drainage, I understand that it goes around the whole house. Sewer cleaning companies have cameras with which they can inspect wastewater pipes. Have one of them come and look into the drainage to see if there is water on the relevant side. That surely won't cost more than 200€. Then you can consider that as a possible cause or rule it out.
 

ibo85

2018-03-21 11:48:30
  • #2


I will probably do that at some point if I can't find another cause.
Now my architect thinks I should check if rain is coming down through the two chimney pipes, which I can't really imagine because the amounts I soak up every time are considerable. Does anyone have experience with this, can so much rainwater or even condensation water form that the floor slab is washed out by about 2 cm?

Another cause the architect mentioned is that the inspection flap on the sewer is defective and does not open properly, causing the wastewater to back up into the house.

I will probably try to investigate both points over the weekend.
Does anyone have experience with this?
 

11ant

2018-03-21 14:57:07
  • #3
Good luck with finding the cause, at least you have a chance there. However, I see all the effort falling on you, because: sounds pretty hopeless. The insolvency administrator is quite a comfortable position compared to people who have claims; they are typically lawyers; and in the case of a profit you must at least accept that the payout will never be 100%. Often it is so much lower that a dispute is not even worth it.
 

miho

2018-03-22 09:32:55
  • #4


You can certainly take a pretty easy look into the chimneys through the sweep openings at the bottom. There should also be traces of leaking water. But I find that very unlikely. Such a chimney has an opening area of maybe 0.05 m² at the top if there is a stove attached... heating rather less. With a few liters of rain per m², hardly anything gets in, and that evaporates again in the rising warm exhaust gas.

Didn’t you try color in the wastewater? That would have revealed the issue with the backflow flap.

How cold are the floor slab or cellar walls? Are they below the dew point? Otherwise, nothing should condense there.

So I’m still guessing groundwater, even if unfortunately that will be the hardest and most expensive option to fix....
 

ibo85

2018-03-22 11:13:10
  • #5


Yes, I already checked yesterday, it is dry. In my opinion, that was also too unlikely.



I did try dye, but when I look at the amounts of water I pump out, I can also imagine that the dye is so diluted that it is no longer visible.



Well, the floor surface is relatively warm due to the underfloor heating. When I looked at the damp spots with a thermal imaging camera, the areas were quite cold, but not below the dew point. What exactly are you aiming at?


Yes, unfortunately I also fear that this is exactly the case.

However, I still want to do a sewer inspection before undertaking any remediation measures, just to avoid unnecessary costs.

If I then have to renovate, I want to possibly proceed step-by-step, i.e. first pressure-inject the wall/joint that is currently visibly affected, and then gradually more until I notice that the water no longer comes through. If possible, I want to avoid breaking out the screed at the spots and perhaps use longer drills to reach the joint and then pressure-inject there, which should be possible according to my expert acquaintance. But that would then be a blind pressure injection.

Earlier I was also advised to possibly make a drilling on the side of the house in the garden to determine the groundwater level.

But I still cannot explain how something like this could happen within a month.
The current tenant living in the basement only moved in at the beginning of February, and at that time the walls were completely dry. There has been neither heavy rain in recent months nor anything else noticeable.

I am at a loss, thanks so far for your answers.
I am still happy to receive ideas.
 

miho

2018-03-22 14:25:54
  • #6


Ok, so you can already rule that out.



Yes, that would of course be possible. That reminds me: a few years ago we had a similar case in a multi-family house where we were renting. After a longer search, chemical analyses of the water were done to find the cause. Based on impurities, one can apparently distinguish sources. It was the desalination system.



If something is supposed to condense there, the temperature of a surface that comes into contact with the moist air must be below the dew point. So if all temperatures are above the dew point, nothing should condense there. You could also calculate how much air volume at what temperature difference would be necessary to produce your water entry by condensation. Then you would know if such an entry by condensation is even plausible.



I would do that too.



Such suddenness is of course noticeable. Did the tenant accidentally/unintentionally damage something during drilling work when moving in?

Does the weather in your area provide a reason for rising groundwater? Or are there construction works somewhere that divert groundwater flows or have done so until recently?
 

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