Saruss
2017-12-24 20:57:26
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And that is – in principle – not correct. That it probably isn’t significant in practice for the thickness differences discussed here is probably true.
You can see this better if you don’t distinguish between a few millimeters but simply take 1m instead of 60mm screed as a thought experiment.
But this argument absurdly derails the conversation – it’s like arguing that you can recognize the inefficiency of thin screed by how bad 1 or 2 mm of screed is. We should not cling to nonsensical theoretical (and practically nonsensical) thought experiments, but stay with the values relevant to the question.
As long as heat conduction towards the ground is not zero, the additional thickness will bring storage capacity and at the same time cost efficiency.
You need more energy to bring more screed to the same temperature than less screed. For identical material, mind you. But I think you meant that somehow differently?
For KFW55, the heating energy demand depends on the outer shell. The heating compensates for the heat energy loss of this shell (minus solar gains, other heat sources, and so on) by transporting heat energy into the house. The thickness of the screed is irrelevant for the required energy in this regard.
The only place where you find a tiny difference is if the insulation of the building from the lowest floor toward the ground (the energy of the other floors going downward is still within the insulated shell) is not so good, and the insulation under the screed is not so good either; then, at higher temperatures, the heat loss downward is higher. But you must not forget that the thicker screed can store the same amount of energy at a lower temperature, and that the more frequent reheating of the thinner screed actually happens RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM of the screed, exactly where most energy can potentially be lost.
But I think the difference for the overall system is practically negligible since there are both advantages and disadvantages. As I have already claimed, the main difference remains the cycling time.
My observation is that many heating systems are more efficient with long cycles than with short ones – at least with my brine pump I found when testing operating parameters that a large hysteresis – resulting in fewer cycles with longer runtime – causes measurably less energy consumption at the same room temperature (thanks to the inertia of the thick screed – the temperature does not fluctuate by 0.1 degrees, I log the temperature of several rooms). Besides, I am sure the compressor will thank me in the long run for having several hours of rest between starts instead of running 1-2 times every hour.
There is certainly some maximum cycle length at which efficiency (heat exchange with the ground, for example) decreases, but I have always been far from that. I had similar experiences in the previous apartment with a gas heating system, which was also more efficient at long cycles.
But the system never reaches a thermodynamic equilibrium, rather a steady state. A little bit of the stored heat also goes downward. For the whole system at constant temperature, IN = OUT.
Equilibrium only exists, of course, if it is exactly room temperature outside, and for that you have to heat for a long time!