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2019-03-23 16:38:07
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Hello,
We, as a family, have bought a plot of land. Very naïvely, without a building ground investigation, but affordable, in the best location and affordable.
Current status according to the building records archive:
Originally, it was a large plot with a multi-family corner house (built in 1896, with a basement, 3 floors + attic, war damage – demolished around 1950 including the basement – unfortunately, the excavation pit was filled with construction debris/garbage up to about 3.20m). A rear building was also supposed to be built, but then there apparently was no money left. Consequently, around 1900 the plot was divided and on the neighboring plot !directly on the property boundary! a multi-family house was built (built in 1902 – basement, 3 floors + 2 attic floors – now listed as a historic monument – renovated several times since 2002).
On this house, directly adjacent on our plot, a rear house was built (built in 1903 – 2 floors without a basement – never significantly renovated). It is basically attached and does not fully have its own rear wall!
Unfortunately, from current cadastral maps and parcel maps it is not possible to see where the property boundary runs.
At first, we had considered renovating the rear house, then thought about a new building, and now we are closer again to the idea of renovation. We are unclear about what the property situation might mean for us.
We are currently trying to clarify whether there is more detailed information about the neighboring property in the building records archive. It is also possible that the plots were only divided after both houses were already standing.
About the picture:
In the background with the orange line is the aerial image with the property boundary.
The walls show the ground floor. The added walls toward the neighboring house have been installed afterwards and are not included in the building application!
In the upper floor, there are no added walls. Here, the exterior wall of the multi-family house virtually serves as an interior wall. At about 90cm height on the upper floor (under the neighbor’s 2nd floor), the wall has a step of 6cm – to save bricks – shown as a black wall. Above our roof – which goes up to the wall but is at least 6cm inside our house everywhere due to beams.
According to an excerpt from the cadastral office, there should be property boundaries marked by stones and the like. My father (a surveying technician) has not found any. A survey apparently has not been conducted at least since 1990.
Many questions arise for us here:
It has become a longer text, but unfortunately nobody has really been able to help me so far. The building permit authority only tells me that the windows and insulation are not in order but not what to do with this information, and they recommend the property be surveyed again but cannot really tell us whether it makes a difference if the wall belongs to both of us or to the neighbor.
Thank you very much for your time and help!

We, as a family, have bought a plot of land. Very naïvely, without a building ground investigation, but affordable, in the best location and affordable.
Current status according to the building records archive:
Originally, it was a large plot with a multi-family corner house (built in 1896, with a basement, 3 floors + attic, war damage – demolished around 1950 including the basement – unfortunately, the excavation pit was filled with construction debris/garbage up to about 3.20m). A rear building was also supposed to be built, but then there apparently was no money left. Consequently, around 1900 the plot was divided and on the neighboring plot !directly on the property boundary! a multi-family house was built (built in 1902 – basement, 3 floors + 2 attic floors – now listed as a historic monument – renovated several times since 2002).
On this house, directly adjacent on our plot, a rear house was built (built in 1903 – 2 floors without a basement – never significantly renovated). It is basically attached and does not fully have its own rear wall!
Unfortunately, from current cadastral maps and parcel maps it is not possible to see where the property boundary runs.
At first, we had considered renovating the rear house, then thought about a new building, and now we are closer again to the idea of renovation. We are unclear about what the property situation might mean for us.
We are currently trying to clarify whether there is more detailed information about the neighboring property in the building records archive. It is also possible that the plots were only divided after both houses were already standing.
About the picture:
In the background with the orange line is the aerial image with the property boundary.
The walls show the ground floor. The added walls toward the neighboring house have been installed afterwards and are not included in the building application!
In the upper floor, there are no added walls. Here, the exterior wall of the multi-family house virtually serves as an interior wall. At about 90cm height on the upper floor (under the neighbor’s 2nd floor), the wall has a step of 6cm – to save bricks – shown as a black wall. Above our roof – which goes up to the wall but is at least 6cm inside our house everywhere due to beams.
According to an excerpt from the cadastral office, there should be property boundaries marked by stones and the like. My father (a surveying technician) has not found any. A survey apparently has not been conducted at least since 1990.
Many questions arise for us here:
[*]At the neighboring house, on the gable side at the property boundary (I am quite sure after 2000 and certainly without permission), 6cm styrofoam thermal insulation and 2 windows were inserted into the fire wall. Can we demand that these windows and the insulation be removed?
[*]Do we have the right to anchor a stainless steel chimney above the height of the neighboring house on the gable side?
[*]If I hammer a nail into my interior wall, I am currently either doing it into the neighbor’s wall or into a wall that belongs to both of us. Is there anything to consider regarding renovation work? Do I, for example, have to obtain permission before plastering and replastering these walls?
[*]Can/Should I remove the added walls on the ground floor to create more living space, or is this strongly discouraged?
It has become a longer text, but unfortunately nobody has really been able to help me so far. The building permit authority only tells me that the windows and insulation are not in order but not what to do with this information, and they recommend the property be surveyed again but cannot really tell us whether it makes a difference if the wall belongs to both of us or to the neighbor.
Thank you very much for your time and help!