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2024-03-27 21:02:43
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Hello dear forum,
we are a family with currently 3 children, a 4th on the way, and want to build a house in Brandenburg (near Berlin).
We are absolute beginners in the field of house building and cannot decide on many things simply because we have no deeper knowledge.
Maybe you can help us or give us a few tips, we would be very grateful.
Now to the basic data:
We have been promised the plot of land, the notary appointment will probably take place in 2 months.
The plot is about 1000 sqm and has a floor area ratio of 0.2 according to the development plan. One full storey may be built, deviating from this, an additional full storey is allowed if it is a full storey built in an attic space.
Gable, hip or half-hip roof is mandatory. 30°-50° pitch.
Our "dream floor plan" that we have thought out is attached. The floor area would be 12.85 x 9.89 with a gable roof on top. Knee wall at 1.80.
A city villa is unfortunately not possible due to the above restriction, as the roof would not be integrated into the second storey.
What is important to us:
Living area should not be less than 160 sqm, ideally around 180-190.
At least 3 children's rooms should be available.
A study must also be available (on the ground floor).
A knee wall of at least 1.80 m would be important, as we have very tall men in the family.
Windows on all four sides on the upper floor (floor-to-ceiling not necessary)
A second bathroom upstairs. (Sanitary and tiles/floor coverings we would get at purchase price.)
A budget of €450,000 without ancillary construction costs is planned for the house.
Since this is a very tight budget for such a house, our question now is: is it even possible?
What can be omitted to save money?
Basically, we see only two possibilities. Either our floor plan and wishes and cutting a lot (insulation, ventilation system, etc...)
Or simply a smaller prefabricated house as specified, according to KfW standard. What would be the advantages or disadvantages here?
A few questions on that:
Should one build with a prefab house company or rather commission the trades oneself, what is cheaper or better?
Since we have some extra wishes (floor plan, knee wall, additional windows) prices with prefabricated house companies quickly became noticeably more expensive. In addition, they include a lot that we might want to omit to fulfill our wishes (see below regarding heating, insulation and co)?
We have already spoken with several house building companies and are now completely clueless, as each considers their construction method to be the best.
Massive construction or timber frame? If massive, which wall thickness? 24, 36?
Styrofoam insulation, lime or possibly no insulation at all?
What is more susceptible to mold/algae? What costs the least?
Centralized/decentralized ventilation system or rather none at all (I like to ventilate very much)?
I tend to none, my husband tends to a ventilation system.
My purely subjective and absolutely non-expert opinion: I fear that the ventilation noise might annoy me, the air might become too dry and also too "clean," and the pipes after years of use might eventually develop mold or break due to wear and tear and then you have to tear everything open and replace it.
Furthermore, it is also a not insignificant cost factor that would save us a lot of money if we omit it.
My husband says the technology has existed for a long time, nothing will mold or break, on the contrary, the house would certainly be mold-free and you would always have perfectly filtered air, humidity, and temperature.
What would be your professional opinion on this?
Then we tend toward underfloor heating because I always freeze without it, so air/water heat pump and not air/air.
Can one save on the floor plan? Should one draw as many straight walls as possible and avoid corners to make it cheaper?
Does the house become cheaper if you only aim for a 30° roof pitch and not e.g. 45°?
Should one build according to KfW standard, can one save by building without it?
We would only apply for KfW funding if we build in timber frame construction with a prefab company, as the additional costs for the analyses for solid houses would unfortunately be too high due to our wishes for the house.
We would also have liked to use the ILB funding, but our plot is just outside the area boundary.
Now two companies told us that then you have no chance and two others said that that would be no problem and the architect could simply apply for an area boundary extension. It would just be a letter and would only still have to be signed by the city, but would not be a problem.
Are some too lazy to submit applications or are others exaggerating?
So many questions, hopefully half understandable?
Many thanks in advance and have a nice evening!
we are a family with currently 3 children, a 4th on the way, and want to build a house in Brandenburg (near Berlin).
We are absolute beginners in the field of house building and cannot decide on many things simply because we have no deeper knowledge.
Maybe you can help us or give us a few tips, we would be very grateful.
Now to the basic data:
We have been promised the plot of land, the notary appointment will probably take place in 2 months.
The plot is about 1000 sqm and has a floor area ratio of 0.2 according to the development plan. One full storey may be built, deviating from this, an additional full storey is allowed if it is a full storey built in an attic space.
Gable, hip or half-hip roof is mandatory. 30°-50° pitch.
Our "dream floor plan" that we have thought out is attached. The floor area would be 12.85 x 9.89 with a gable roof on top. Knee wall at 1.80.
A city villa is unfortunately not possible due to the above restriction, as the roof would not be integrated into the second storey.
What is important to us:
Living area should not be less than 160 sqm, ideally around 180-190.
At least 3 children's rooms should be available.
A study must also be available (on the ground floor).
A knee wall of at least 1.80 m would be important, as we have very tall men in the family.
Windows on all four sides on the upper floor (floor-to-ceiling not necessary)
A second bathroom upstairs. (Sanitary and tiles/floor coverings we would get at purchase price.)
A budget of €450,000 without ancillary construction costs is planned for the house.
Since this is a very tight budget for such a house, our question now is: is it even possible?
What can be omitted to save money?
Basically, we see only two possibilities. Either our floor plan and wishes and cutting a lot (insulation, ventilation system, etc...)
Or simply a smaller prefabricated house as specified, according to KfW standard. What would be the advantages or disadvantages here?
A few questions on that:
Should one build with a prefab house company or rather commission the trades oneself, what is cheaper or better?
Since we have some extra wishes (floor plan, knee wall, additional windows) prices with prefabricated house companies quickly became noticeably more expensive. In addition, they include a lot that we might want to omit to fulfill our wishes (see below regarding heating, insulation and co)?
We have already spoken with several house building companies and are now completely clueless, as each considers their construction method to be the best.
Massive construction or timber frame? If massive, which wall thickness? 24, 36?
Styrofoam insulation, lime or possibly no insulation at all?
What is more susceptible to mold/algae? What costs the least?
Centralized/decentralized ventilation system or rather none at all (I like to ventilate very much)?
I tend to none, my husband tends to a ventilation system.
My purely subjective and absolutely non-expert opinion: I fear that the ventilation noise might annoy me, the air might become too dry and also too "clean," and the pipes after years of use might eventually develop mold or break due to wear and tear and then you have to tear everything open and replace it.
Furthermore, it is also a not insignificant cost factor that would save us a lot of money if we omit it.
My husband says the technology has existed for a long time, nothing will mold or break, on the contrary, the house would certainly be mold-free and you would always have perfectly filtered air, humidity, and temperature.
What would be your professional opinion on this?
Then we tend toward underfloor heating because I always freeze without it, so air/water heat pump and not air/air.
Can one save on the floor plan? Should one draw as many straight walls as possible and avoid corners to make it cheaper?
Does the house become cheaper if you only aim for a 30° roof pitch and not e.g. 45°?
Should one build according to KfW standard, can one save by building without it?
We would only apply for KfW funding if we build in timber frame construction with a prefab company, as the additional costs for the analyses for solid houses would unfortunately be too high due to our wishes for the house.
We would also have liked to use the ILB funding, but our plot is just outside the area boundary.
Now two companies told us that then you have no chance and two others said that that would be no problem and the architect could simply apply for an area boundary extension. It would just be a letter and would only still have to be signed by the city, but would not be a problem.
Are some too lazy to submit applications or are others exaggerating?
So many questions, hopefully half understandable?
Many thanks in advance and have a nice evening!