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2019-09-20 20:46:54
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A warm hello to the forum.
Before I tackle this project, I would like to introduce myself and the house to be renovated and ask for your opinion. I am 55 years old, married with three almost grown men in Hamburg. We live in a replica of an Efficiency House 50, built stone by stone Danhaus Glücksburg. I have some building experience with a new build from 2011 and a small renovation of a single-family house from 1954/roof insulation in 2014.
I know that the times for renovation are difficult, but since I am somewhat running out of time health-wise (eyesight), I would simply like to hear your opinion, also on the economic viability of this renovation project, especially since it is not owner-occupied but a rental property.
The two-family house is unencumbered
Planned works:
- Roof insulation and new roofing, possibly with a dormer, insertion of a chimney up to under the attic floor
- Facade insulation – old plastic brick cladding must be removed, old insulation removed at the back
- All windows to be renewed – currently old aluminum frames
- Replacement of two gas heaters with a central gas heating system with only one burner and heat meter for two apartments (replacement of gas piping inside the house), plus hot water support from the roof for KfW 115/100 house (other heating technologies probably not effective)
- Basement ceiling insulation probably unavoidable for KfW
- Attic floor will have laminate; the floor (screed) is already insulated with Styrofoam and covered with chipboard, possibly 2 radiators + dormer possible + 2 additional skylights with sun protection (providing a DIN area of about 35 m²) usable space for a work area, guest room, play area (not recognized as living space as the staircase is only 75 cm wide)
Investment amount, my rough estimate, is 200,000 euros planned renovation to at least Efficiency House 115 / minus repayment subsidy of 30,000 euros, KfW 430 grant program.
In 2003, 50,000 euros could flow directly into debt repayment as the goal would be to be almost debt-free in 5-6 years. Rental per apartment is realistically set at a minimum of 750 euros; if the attic is added, it could increase.
My alternative would be to rent out as is without doing anything; still, the heating will probably require 20K euros.
Selling the house would bring about 350-380K euros – but lacks inflation protection and a good secure investment form.
What do you think, is such a renovation really feasible at these costs, what should I consider in my reflections?

Before I tackle this project, I would like to introduce myself and the house to be renovated and ask for your opinion. I am 55 years old, married with three almost grown men in Hamburg. We live in a replica of an Efficiency House 50, built stone by stone Danhaus Glücksburg. I have some building experience with a new build from 2011 and a small renovation of a single-family house from 1954/roof insulation in 2014.
I know that the times for renovation are difficult, but since I am somewhat running out of time health-wise (eyesight), I would simply like to hear your opinion, also on the economic viability of this renovation project, especially since it is not owner-occupied but a rental property.
The two-family house is unencumbered
[*]2 separated apartments 92m² + 90 m², accessible from the hallway, located in Essen Haarzopf on 460 m²
[*]Plot borders directly on forest, in an almost completely renovated quiet residential street (compared to the other houses) – all very beautifully renovated
[*]Forest at the back; land value 420 euros/m², nevertheless very good nearby infrastructure
[*]Rental income per apartment minimum 750 euros cold rent (apartments currently vacant)
[*]The house was rebuilt after the war, around 1960
[*]Condition is good: roof tight, basement dry, installations such as water, electricity, heating already done
[*]Upper apartment was fully renovated inside: electrical wiring, bathrooms and radiators, laminate
[*]Lower apartment requires 6 radiators, laminate, and possibly bathroom renovation from 1980
Planned works:
- Roof insulation and new roofing, possibly with a dormer, insertion of a chimney up to under the attic floor
- Facade insulation – old plastic brick cladding must be removed, old insulation removed at the back
- All windows to be renewed – currently old aluminum frames
- Replacement of two gas heaters with a central gas heating system with only one burner and heat meter for two apartments (replacement of gas piping inside the house), plus hot water support from the roof for KfW 115/100 house (other heating technologies probably not effective)
- Basement ceiling insulation probably unavoidable for KfW
- Attic floor will have laminate; the floor (screed) is already insulated with Styrofoam and covered with chipboard, possibly 2 radiators + dormer possible + 2 additional skylights with sun protection (providing a DIN area of about 35 m²) usable space for a work area, guest room, play area (not recognized as living space as the staircase is only 75 cm wide)
Investment amount, my rough estimate, is 200,000 euros planned renovation to at least Efficiency House 115 / minus repayment subsidy of 30,000 euros, KfW 430 grant program.
In 2003, 50,000 euros could flow directly into debt repayment as the goal would be to be almost debt-free in 5-6 years. Rental per apartment is realistically set at a minimum of 750 euros; if the attic is added, it could increase.
My alternative would be to rent out as is without doing anything; still, the heating will probably require 20K euros.
Selling the house would bring about 350-380K euros – but lacks inflation protection and a good secure investment form.
What do you think, is such a renovation really feasible at these costs, what should I consider in my reflections?