kinderpingui
2017-05-14 17:17:45
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Hello everyone,
I have a question, primarily for the lawyers among us, but of course the opinion of everyone else is also welcome. Maybe there are some among us who have faced the same issue.
Briefly, the underlying facts:
My girlfriend (26), a student of teaching studies shortly before her internship, and I (27), a civil servant in the upper service, will buy a plot of land in my hometown for about €100,000, which is not planned to be built on for about 4-5 years. The financing and purchase contract are settled, it is now only about how we register the land in the land register.
According to the notary, there are basically only 2 options for us:
1. I initially register myself alone in the land register. Before we build, we get married (which we intend to do anyway) and after the marriage I have my wife registered in the land register with equal shares (this way we do not have to pay GES anymore, which we would have to pay if we were not yet married)
If I understood correctly, this offers the advantage that it is currently the simplest solution, as there is no need to worry about a partnership agreement and a possible division in case of separation. We both agree anyway that I can keep the land in case of separation, since I come from the town.
Disadvantage, for the later change in the land register additional costs will be incurred at the notary and land registry office (however, no GES since married)
One question about this: What is then the basis for assessing these costs? Only the current purchase price (we buy from a private party and have a separate development contract, so the GES and other ancillary costs only apply to the actual purchase price)?
Or is the current equivalent value (i.e. purchase price + development costs + possible appreciation of the land) the basis for assessment?
Furthermore, it would also have to be regulated in a will that the land passes to my girlfriend in the event of my death. Does this cause possible additional notary costs or can a will between non-married partners also be valid without notarization?
2. My girlfriend and I form a GbR in which we are both registered as partners with equal shares. This GbR is then entered in the land register. Then we would have to arrange everything already now as to what happens in the event of death or separation.
Advantage, according to the notary, all these arrangements can be made without notarization and you are quite flexible. Also, forming such a GbR is no problem.
Costs would then arise only in the event of separation, if one of us registers the land alone in their name.
Psychologically, I also find this option nicer, because then the land belongs to both of us equally right from the start and not only to me. After all, it is a joint project.
I hope I have explained the matter reasonably clearly. We would appreciate answers to the questions already posed above as well as the following questions,
1. Which option do you think is the most sensible?
2. Is it difficult to formulate such things yourself?
The notary honestly told us that he could draw up a GbR and also a partnership agreement combined with a will, but that would all cost money again.
Especially for such a simple regulatory need, there are plenty of standard contracts on the internet that can be optimized according to one’s own requirements if necessary.
Many thanks and best regards
I have a question, primarily for the lawyers among us, but of course the opinion of everyone else is also welcome. Maybe there are some among us who have faced the same issue.
Briefly, the underlying facts:
My girlfriend (26), a student of teaching studies shortly before her internship, and I (27), a civil servant in the upper service, will buy a plot of land in my hometown for about €100,000, which is not planned to be built on for about 4-5 years. The financing and purchase contract are settled, it is now only about how we register the land in the land register.
According to the notary, there are basically only 2 options for us:
1. I initially register myself alone in the land register. Before we build, we get married (which we intend to do anyway) and after the marriage I have my wife registered in the land register with equal shares (this way we do not have to pay GES anymore, which we would have to pay if we were not yet married)
If I understood correctly, this offers the advantage that it is currently the simplest solution, as there is no need to worry about a partnership agreement and a possible division in case of separation. We both agree anyway that I can keep the land in case of separation, since I come from the town.
Disadvantage, for the later change in the land register additional costs will be incurred at the notary and land registry office (however, no GES since married)
One question about this: What is then the basis for assessing these costs? Only the current purchase price (we buy from a private party and have a separate development contract, so the GES and other ancillary costs only apply to the actual purchase price)?
Or is the current equivalent value (i.e. purchase price + development costs + possible appreciation of the land) the basis for assessment?
Furthermore, it would also have to be regulated in a will that the land passes to my girlfriend in the event of my death. Does this cause possible additional notary costs or can a will between non-married partners also be valid without notarization?
2. My girlfriend and I form a GbR in which we are both registered as partners with equal shares. This GbR is then entered in the land register. Then we would have to arrange everything already now as to what happens in the event of death or separation.
Advantage, according to the notary, all these arrangements can be made without notarization and you are quite flexible. Also, forming such a GbR is no problem.
Costs would then arise only in the event of separation, if one of us registers the land alone in their name.
Psychologically, I also find this option nicer, because then the land belongs to both of us equally right from the start and not only to me. After all, it is a joint project.
I hope I have explained the matter reasonably clearly. We would appreciate answers to the questions already posed above as well as the following questions,
1. Which option do you think is the most sensible?
2. Is it difficult to formulate such things yourself?
The notary honestly told us that he could draw up a GbR and also a partnership agreement combined with a will, but that would all cost money again.
Especially for such a simple regulatory need, there are plenty of standard contracts on the internet that can be optimized according to one’s own requirements if necessary.
Many thanks and best regards