You mean without KFW? Since we are building Kfw40, it makes sense, without equity the interest rates are usually very high. We had some calculations done through VR Bank, but they also calculated with both KFW loans and a building savings contract. We know the advantages and disadvantages of building savings contracts. However, all 4 offers (VR Bank, Interhyp, and two independent advisors) had the same structure without us saying how we wanted it. Therefore, I think it seems to fit the same way without equity.