Ground floor hallway push-button switch -> Hue Motion Sensor

Hey,

maybe someone here has a solution:

In the ground floor hallway, there is a push-button switch at two locations (living room door, house entrance) and upstairs (staircase exit). Now I would like to install the mentioned sensor on the ground floor. Basically, the switches are always "ON" so that the light fixture can be controlled. But the push-button always springs back to its original position and only gives a pulse, is it still considered a continuous "ON"? So that the hallway light can be controlled automatically via Alexa or the Hue Motion Sensor? Or what would need to be done so that it works as desired?

It’s the same in the upstairs hallway. A push-button switch at 3 locations (staircase, bathroom, bedroom) + ground floor next to another push-button switch (as just described). The idea is to have spots in the upstairs ceiling here, possibly also via a motion sensor or only by Alexa voice command. How is this best implemented? I have already read something about a Shelly relay here, but apparently there is another option via a similar relay that works over Zigbee...

Side question: There is a wall lamp at the staircase (1/4 turn) before it goes around the bend upstairs and a second one halfway along the long leg of the stairs. How would you switch these most sensibly? Currently, I would say the lower wall lamp is switched on the ground floor, the 2nd wall lamp on the upstairs. Going from bottom to top, you press the switch for upstairs, and the 2nd wall lamp and upstairs hallway light turn on. The 1st wall lamp lights up when you enter the ground floor hallway from the living room. The ground floor hallway switches off when leaving the stairs through the upstairs switch for the ground floor.

Here I wonder how this could be combined with the Alexa/Hue concept.

Or the two wall lamps are operated separately via a series switch (staircase and upstairs).

Thanks for your opinions!

So you can get a permanent "on" most easily if you bridge the (very likely) Eltako relay. Then your buttons no longer have any function. Your way of thinking regarding the desired function of your circuit is still not clear to me. Do you want to control your hallway light only via Alexa voice control?

In the ground floor hallway, there is a push-button switch in two places (living room door, house entrance) and on the upper floor (staircase exit). Now I would like to install the mentioned sensor on the ground floor. Basically, the switches are always "ON" so that the light can be controlled. But the push-button always returns to its original position and only gives a pulse—is that still a constant "ON"? So that the hallway light can be controlled automatically via Alexa or the Hue Motion Sensor? Or what would need to be done for it to work as desired?

You can’t really answer that here in general terms. The question is how the circuit is set up and where the light cable ends. That can vary, and here one could only guess. For what reason should it specifically be a Hue Motion Sensor?

It would be the same in the upstairs hallway. A push-button switch in 3 places (stairs, bathroom, bedroom) + on the ground floor next to another push-button switch (as described). The idea is spots in the upstairs ceiling. Possibly also via a motion sensor or just via Alexa voice command. How would this be best implemented? I have already read something about a Shelly relay here, but apparently there is also a variant of a similar relay? which works via Zigbee...

The problem is that there are 212934 possibilities for such rooms. I can already start talking you out of the Alexa solution—it sounds cool but is not mature in practice. By the time the light then switches on, you are already out of the hallway. You can also realize something with a motion detector/motion sensor here. Just yesterday, I took mine out again because at night I like to go to the bathroom half asleep and not be blinded. You could also set it so that the sensor stops switching after a certain time, but somehow I prefer simply pressing a button when I need light. I would leave it like that, but that is personal feeling.

Side question: There is a wall lamp at the staircase (1/4 turn) (before the curve upwards) and another one halfway along the long leg of the stairs.

I already know those. But I don’t quite understand the sentence—

halfway along the long leg of the stairs another one as well.

Does that mean there is only one light on the long side? Why not two?

How would you switch them most sensibly? Currently, I would say the lower wall lamp is switched on the ground floor, the second wall lamp upstairs.

Not like that!!

Going from bottom to top, you press the switch for upstairs and the second wall lamp and upstairs hallway light come on. The first wall lamp lights when you enter the ground floor hallway from the living room. The ground floor hallway is switched off when leaving the stairs by the switch upstairs for the ground floor.

Way too complicated. Luckily, you have already recognized the solution yourself—

Or both wall lamps are controlled separately via a series switch (staircase and upstairs).

Here I wonder how this can be reconciled with the Alexa/Hue idea.

There are again

212934 possibilities

. Everything is possible, but the question is what you want, how much money it is allowed to cost, and what you plan for the future.

The staircase has 2 lamps, one on the short section and one on the long section

Motion sensor/Alexa because everything is already available and currently used in the apartment. I would like to continue using it.

You enter the front door, the motion sensor recognizes that and turns on the light in the hallway (actually the foyer, hallway sounds more like something narrow). Or you come from the living room and want to go through the foyer to the guest WC, then the sensor should also turn on the light in the foyer when the living room door is opened. Since the staircase lamps will very likely be LEDs, they probably cannot be switched as easily as the E27 lamp in the foyer lighting.

Controlling the two staircase lamps in series seems the most reasonable to me.... I think

One could also set it so that the sensor no longer switches after xy o’clock, but somehow I prefer to just press a button when I need light. I would leave it like that, but that is personal preference.

I’m just imagining it! ops: I have classic motion detectors in all hallways (suitable for LED!!!). That is practical for guests, they don’t have to search for anything and it saves money when you have children who often don’t care whether and how long the light stays on.

I would have thought, for optical reasons, that 2 lights would also be installed on the long section.

The Hue Motion Sensor is only battery-powered and is connected to the corresponding lights via the Bridge, right? Then theoretically, you would only need to connect 2 wires in the distribution box to bypass the switches. Or are the switches supposed to be completely removed for now?

What do you mean by the LED comparison with the e27? Because of the Hue bulb?