Or would you advise a builder to basically not put anything down at all and annoy the workers from the start with appointments and trivialities?
How do you come up with that? clearly explained it here, there was no mention of a generalized description "nothing" as you put it again. Being able to read is once again an advantage here; see here:
I myself worked on construction sites for three years.
Not all craftsmen appreciate that, and it is by no means a recipe for good mood on site, let alone better quality…
Showing respect in general is of course natural, everything beyond that is a “give and take.”
For this reason, doing nothing from the start is definitely not the answer.
It could slowly become clear that nowhere, never, ever is generalized thinking appropriate. You are reacting to something that nobody here said.
Good for you. But people on construction sites don’t do it for 3 years, but for 30, 40 years… you can ask yourself whether you would have lasted that long.
Just as age alone is not an achievement, neither is professional experience. Whether one day or 50 years is absolutely irrelevant regarding mutual respect, and that certainly does not depend on a few sandwiches provided. My experiences were as they always are, namely different, just as people are different, you only ever encounter categories of people, as you know.
Two craftsmen have become our friends, who visit us and even stay overnight, others I would rather not see "working" in my house anymore. I am happy to make coffee or bring something along, but I have no general obligation to do so. For me, it is like in the hospitality industry, where I also do not apply the one-size-fits-all principle, but act differently and give absolutely nothing in case of poor performance. I think this is not a monopoly on construction site interactions, how people treat each other—but who am I telling this to?
Yes. But when I read your post here, it already tends towards showing no respect.
Anyone who believes that offering two blood sausage sandwiches and a lukewarm soda is showing respect does not understand that having caviar won’t make it any smarter. Look up the definition of the word "respect"; respect is not automatically shown by giving food and drinks, that happens on another level, but does not exclude the former.
Honestly, I’m not surprised, your demeanor must have been like that from the start, along the lines of
"I put something here for you, so you'd better fall to your knees before King Customer!"
You really babble in a different direction every time. Most recently, you even "sorted out" your lazy, doner-eating friends on your construction sites one after the other, who behaved like parasites instead of working, and now the other way around again. What do I care about my nonsense from yesterday, and one can even respectfully call friends parasites and then "sort them out," while someone who expresses themselves differentiated and understandably is clumsily accused of disrespect. You can’t make this stuff up.
Sorry, but almost everyone who had problems on the construction site acted like you. I hardly had any problems. Strange, isn’t it?
Haha, really great, you should take the stage. I quote you from another thread
I went through that, now I do most of it alone or with 1-2 people I can work well with and who do good work.
The rest I had to sort out because I have to explain too much and/or it’s just quickly botched, as long as there is beer and a doner after work.
The best approach is to assume that in the end you do the work alone, at best with 1-2 helpers who usually are just gofers, i.e. handing over, carrying etc.
The internet doesn’t forget anything.