imsi123
2018-08-26 15:32:08
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Hello, we were able to secure a plot of land (with an existing house). We live and work in the immediate vicinity, so we are very happy that it worked out. However, it was quite surprising for us that it happened so quickly, so we are quite unprepared and are already stuck after the first preliminary discussions with four architects we approached. We have now applied for the demolition first (it can take up to 3 months for approval to come) and postponed the architect selection. The plot is difficult to build on, so we first told the architects only to put their vision of a house (for 3-4 apartments, maximum development) on paper. We don’t like any of it. However, we now know a little more about what we need/want... at least...
About the plot:
-13/1, 34/1, 33/1 is the original plot, we additionally acquired 31 (which is level and has a garden shed on it), the plot can basically only be used up to the red line, the height difference to the street edge is marked in red; steep slope, currently a steep stair connects the upper and lower part of the plot in the middle, the lower plot should be usable and accessible later.
-The plot should be fully developed, i.e. a small basement apartment in the underground garage (possible because of the steep slope) (4-5 parking spaces + common cellar) connected with the ground floor, 2 apartments on the 1st floor, penthouse, elevator, total about 500 sqm gross floor area.
I will live with 4 children on the ground floor + basement + garden (that will already be tight with a gross floor area between 160-180 sqm on ground floor + basement), 1st floor will be rented out and the penthouse will be occupied by my parents.
-Access to the underground garage and entrance must be from the east side so that south/west can be used as a garden;
-The house must be placed as far north (north/east) as possible towards the slope to create space for the garden in front and because that space is not usable otherwise.
-These are two points that were actually clear and logical to us from the beginning, but apparently not to the architects.
The basic question (all floor plans are rubbish, but we’re partly to blame for not giving people any guidelines; still, the question arises how you can plan only a 2-meter wardrobe space for 6 people...) is whether the house should be rather:
-narrow (about 11*16m): I find that visually nice, not so common here, pure west orientation, then a nice big living room to south/west or; a lot of space on the west side to design a practical stairway to the lower garden; problem: the two apartments on the 1st floor are one behind the other and the rear one would have a west/north orientation rather
-rectangular (e.g. 13*14): south/west orientation; 1st floor gets two apartments with south balcony, problem I have is that the living room then becomes too wide and has to be separated towards the east. Which room should go there? One design wanted to make the master bedroom with access from the living room. So that’s out of the question.
And what do you think?
Regards Benjamin

About the plot:
-13/1, 34/1, 33/1 is the original plot, we additionally acquired 31 (which is level and has a garden shed on it), the plot can basically only be used up to the red line, the height difference to the street edge is marked in red; steep slope, currently a steep stair connects the upper and lower part of the plot in the middle, the lower plot should be usable and accessible later.
-The plot should be fully developed, i.e. a small basement apartment in the underground garage (possible because of the steep slope) (4-5 parking spaces + common cellar) connected with the ground floor, 2 apartments on the 1st floor, penthouse, elevator, total about 500 sqm gross floor area.
I will live with 4 children on the ground floor + basement + garden (that will already be tight with a gross floor area between 160-180 sqm on ground floor + basement), 1st floor will be rented out and the penthouse will be occupied by my parents.
-Access to the underground garage and entrance must be from the east side so that south/west can be used as a garden;
-The house must be placed as far north (north/east) as possible towards the slope to create space for the garden in front and because that space is not usable otherwise.
-These are two points that were actually clear and logical to us from the beginning, but apparently not to the architects.
The basic question (all floor plans are rubbish, but we’re partly to blame for not giving people any guidelines; still, the question arises how you can plan only a 2-meter wardrobe space for 6 people...) is whether the house should be rather:
-narrow (about 11*16m): I find that visually nice, not so common here, pure west orientation, then a nice big living room to south/west or; a lot of space on the west side to design a practical stairway to the lower garden; problem: the two apartments on the 1st floor are one behind the other and the rear one would have a west/north orientation rather
-rectangular (e.g. 13*14): south/west orientation; 1st floor gets two apartments with south balcony, problem I have is that the living room then becomes too wide and has to be separated towards the east. Which room should go there? One design wanted to make the master bedroom with access from the living room. So that’s out of the question.
And what do you think?
Regards Benjamin