Which type of heating system in the new building?

  • Erstellt am 2021-03-30 17:34:02

theundertaker

2021-03-30 17:34:02
  • #1
Hello, We are hopefully planning to build a house towards the end of the year and I have already started thinking about the type of heating. It will be a single-family house with about 150 sqm and is located in the Bremen area. There are currently 2 people, but a child is coming soon. After several hours of googling and reading forums, I am of the opinion that an air heat pump + photovoltaic system + battery storage is the most practical solution. For coziness, a stove is also planned in the living/dining area. Advantages: no costs for gas connection and gas, no costs for the entire drilling process and permits etc., efficiency increases through electricity generation with storage, and you even get paid for feeding electricity into the grid. Cooling effect in the house in summer. Disadvantages: higher initial costs compared to gas heating, increased electricity costs in winter when it is really cold. Actually, I am only unsure whether the increased electricity consumption cancels out the savings from not having gas? Are there other disadvantages I have not considered? How much more expensive is a system with photovoltaic + battery approximately compared to a conventional gas heating system? Does the stove support the heating in any way or does it always maintain its temperature no matter how warm the room gets?
 

nordanney

2021-03-30 18:04:10
  • #2
How do you come to that conclusion? You probably mean an air-to-water heat pump Please don’t expect miracles in winter. You need heating electricity, but the sun is not shining. Storage in itself is not bad if it is subsidized or if you, for example, have an electric car. Photovoltaics alone is actually always worthwhile – fill the roof. You can forget about the cooling effect. Even with geothermal energy, it does not get cold in the height of summer, not even truly cool. Higher acquisition costs? No. Increased electricity costs in winter is true. But you also have increased gas costs in winter. You have not considered one thing. What kind of house are you planning to build anyway? And also your user behavior. I can heat 120 sqm KfW40 with €1,000 electricity costs (always open windows wide and 25 degrees inside) or €300 (only 21 degrees and reasonable ventilation). How much more does a green car cost than a red one? Detach yourself from photovoltaics. It also makes sense with gas heating. In new houses with underfloor heating, it is always equally warm. No matter how the heat is generated. Of course, a stove provides additional heating. But even there you can install different variants. Heat storing or just “for fun.” Read quietly here in the forum. Without a gas connection and if you do not live in high mountains, I would take the heat pump. And if possible, then as geothermal. Always put photovoltaics on.
 

knalltüte

2021-03-30 18:11:08
  • #3
But you also have increased electricity costs due to cooling in the summer via an air-water heat pump (a brine-water heat pump could [PassiveCooling]), or an air-air heat pump (so "air conditioning" = electricity guzzler whenever it runs).

The fact is, a storage battery is not financially worthwhile at least just to generate higher self-consumption. If you want to do it for ecological reasons ... gladly (there are various calculations on that).

I hope I have summarized this correctly, as always a layman's opinion without guarantee.
 

Bookstar

2021-03-30 18:58:07
  • #4
Price-performance ratio is gas way ahead. Air-to-water heat pump is also good, but error-prone and requires a lot of adjustment work.

If the gas pipeline is in place, then gas. Otherwise, air-to-water heat pump.
 

theundertaker

2021-03-30 19:40:56
  • #5

How do you come to that? You probably mean an air-water heat pump.

Yes, correct.


Please don’t expect miracles in winter. You need power for heating, but the sun doesn’t shine then. Storage itself is not bad if it’s subsidized or, for example, if you have an e-car.
Photovoltaics alone almost always pays off – fill the roof completely.
You can forget about the cooling effect. Even with geothermal, it doesn’t get cold in the height of summer, not even really cool.

So currently we live in a house from the 60s or so, with basically no insulation, and after a hot summer day with over 30°C it’s similarly warm inside...
I don’t expect a constant 19°C but if the house would only warm up to 25°C it would already be a bit more comfortable :)

Higher initial costs? No.
Increased electricity costs in winter is true. But you also have increased gas costs in winter.


One thing you haven’t considered: What kind of house do you actually want to build? And your usage behavior. I can heat 120sqm KfW40 with 1,000€ electricity (windows wide open all the time and 25 degrees inside) or 300€ (only 21 degrees and proper ventilation).

The house is supposed to be at least KFW 55 level, is the difference to KfW40 only in the technology (solar, heat recovery) or also better insulation?

How much more does a green car cost than a red one? Detach yourself from photovoltaics. It also makes sense with gas heating.


In new houses with underfloor heating, it is always equally warm. No matter how the heat is generated. Of course, a stove provides additional heating. But even then, you can install different variants. Heat storing or just "for fun."

Read quietly here in the forum.

Without a gas connection and unless you live in high mountains, I would take the heat pump. And if possible, then as geothermal. Always put photovoltaic on.
The gas connection costs 1330 gross up to 30m from the local supplier, but the house will be 100m away from the street, so I estimate it will be more expensive.
Here in the north, winters are rather mild; continuous subzero temperatures have been rare in recent years.
What is better with geothermal? In winter you don’t have to heat electrically, but otherwise?
 

theundertaker

2021-03-30 19:47:18
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