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2023-07-15 08:18:44
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Good morning everyone,
I am still busy with my new build. It’s not exactly easy at the moment with the rising interest rates and all the political energy topics. However, things are getting concrete now and I have to plan the house connection room. Unfortunately, I have to build without a basement and therefore have very limited space. The district heating connection is now fixed.
The connection load will be about 8-10 kW. Underfloor heating everywhere. Household of 4 people. Only a small photovoltaic system (4.5 kW).
We are building in the town center in a commercial location and therefore have our living/dining and kitchen area in the attic. There will only be a kitchen unit there that requires hot water, so I want to save on a hot water pipe there and work with an electric instantaneous water heater under the sink.
I still have to supply two bathrooms. One on the ground floor, diagonally opposite the house connection room. And the main bathroom, directly above the house connection room.
Which hot water preparation would you now recommend to me that is modern and space-saving?
My variant considerations based on what I have researched so far (I am not a professional):
Variant 1, fresh water station at the house connection station:
My favorite variant would be a FW transfer station with an integrated heating circuit and an integrated fresh water station (instantaneous water heater). No storage. These stations are quite compact (about 120x75x40, wall-mounted). Unfortunately, this variant was now talked out of me because it is apparently only suitable for larger connection loads. For the fresh water, about 30 kW would have to be provided briefly, which costs a high power price and probably also stresses the system (controllers, valves, shocks, etc...) because in normal operation (without hot water demand) much less power is needed and then suddenly 30 kW when hot water is required. Unfortunately, I would have found this variant hygienic and very space-saving!
Variant 2, hot water storage tank:
The probably simplest and still quite space-saving variant could work with an under-counter storage tank (160 liters) and a simple FW transfer station with an integrated heating circuit and a drinking water heater that then heats the boiler. According to my sketch, I could probably fit that in. The only question is whether that is still modern (hygienic and technical) and whether a 160-liter boiler is sufficient (not much bathing)?
Variant 3.1, buffer storage tank with instantaneous water heater at the FW station:
I don’t know if I can manage that in terms of space, but the variant would be a buffer storage tank of 500 liters and an instantaneous water heater at the transfer station. Since I have little space and I have a feeling of quite high heat losses there, I'm not particularly convinced by this variant.
Variant 3.2, buffer storage tank with instantaneous water heater at the buffer storage tank:
For me, the same as variant 3.1.
What do you think about this? I am not a professional and do not know if I have understood everything correctly and haven’t overlooked anything or if I have all variants on the radar.
Of course, I will award all services to specialist companies. But I would like to go into the race with a finished concept so that I can accommodate everything in the end.
For variant 2, I have already put together the house connection room in PowerPoint.
Many thanks and best regards
I am still busy with my new build. It’s not exactly easy at the moment with the rising interest rates and all the political energy topics. However, things are getting concrete now and I have to plan the house connection room. Unfortunately, I have to build without a basement and therefore have very limited space. The district heating connection is now fixed.
The connection load will be about 8-10 kW. Underfloor heating everywhere. Household of 4 people. Only a small photovoltaic system (4.5 kW).
We are building in the town center in a commercial location and therefore have our living/dining and kitchen area in the attic. There will only be a kitchen unit there that requires hot water, so I want to save on a hot water pipe there and work with an electric instantaneous water heater under the sink.
I still have to supply two bathrooms. One on the ground floor, diagonally opposite the house connection room. And the main bathroom, directly above the house connection room.
Which hot water preparation would you now recommend to me that is modern and space-saving?
My variant considerations based on what I have researched so far (I am not a professional):
Variant 1, fresh water station at the house connection station:
My favorite variant would be a FW transfer station with an integrated heating circuit and an integrated fresh water station (instantaneous water heater). No storage. These stations are quite compact (about 120x75x40, wall-mounted). Unfortunately, this variant was now talked out of me because it is apparently only suitable for larger connection loads. For the fresh water, about 30 kW would have to be provided briefly, which costs a high power price and probably also stresses the system (controllers, valves, shocks, etc...) because in normal operation (without hot water demand) much less power is needed and then suddenly 30 kW when hot water is required. Unfortunately, I would have found this variant hygienic and very space-saving!
Variant 2, hot water storage tank:
The probably simplest and still quite space-saving variant could work with an under-counter storage tank (160 liters) and a simple FW transfer station with an integrated heating circuit and a drinking water heater that then heats the boiler. According to my sketch, I could probably fit that in. The only question is whether that is still modern (hygienic and technical) and whether a 160-liter boiler is sufficient (not much bathing)?
Variant 3.1, buffer storage tank with instantaneous water heater at the FW station:
I don’t know if I can manage that in terms of space, but the variant would be a buffer storage tank of 500 liters and an instantaneous water heater at the transfer station. Since I have little space and I have a feeling of quite high heat losses there, I'm not particularly convinced by this variant.
Variant 3.2, buffer storage tank with instantaneous water heater at the buffer storage tank:
For me, the same as variant 3.1.
What do you think about this? I am not a professional and do not know if I have understood everything correctly and haven’t overlooked anything or if I have all variants on the radar.
Of course, I will award all services to specialist companies. But I would like to go into the race with a finished concept so that I can accommodate everything in the end.
For variant 2, I have already put together the house connection room in PowerPoint.
Many thanks and best regards