Wall construction comparison Heinz von Heiden vs. Team Massivhaus

2024-01-30 19:41:01

If that is your way of thinking, we wonder how competent you are.

The question was intentionally meant as an open introduction.

2024-01-30 20:52:25

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- porous high perforated brick T12 d=24 cm
- polystyrene insulation boards (fire retardant), d=16 cm, WLG 035

- aerated concrete block (H+H) 17.5 cm,
- mineral fiber insulation (KD) 12 cm (thermal conductivity class 035).
- branded facing brick
The total wall thickness is about 45.0 cm.

Honestly, neither of the two wall constructions makes much sense. If you build with ETICS or clinker, you can also make the actual wall from stable and poorly insulating material (e.g. sand-lime brick) instead of Poroton or aerated concrete. Both wall constructions combine the disadvantages of both worlds.

2024-01-30 21:52:14

Thanks for the hints, we will take a look. (Creditworthiness is currently a crucial criterion, here TMH and Heinz von Heiden have an important point.)

You are welcome to explain that in more detail: You can read business reports (if I recall correctly, Holzmann was on the brink of bankruptcy according to KPMG bumperlgsund, since then I do not trust "at least 100%" of all auditors' certificates)?
By the way, there are performance bonds. Too big to fail is nonsense, but still an insurable risk.

very detailed about specifications/construction service description comparable. So now it is exclusively about the wall construction mentioned here.

I don’t quite understand: Have you now (actively) made specifications or (passively) compared construction service descriptions?

2024-01-31 01:22:02

If that is your way of thinking, we wonder how competent you are.

able to judge. So you asked for the same house (who designed it, and with which exterior walls?) from two companies. And now one of them says, we build it with a changed wall structure?

Or is it perhaps much more like this: You requested a "roughly how it should be" house, the two providers responded with building proposals, between which you cannot recognize any essential other differences?

From my point of view, Berlin is not initially a weather region where a facing facade would be "required." Both participants in the comparison are probably well known in the forum here, with Team Massiv being, in my opinion, still the somewhat more respected business partner than Heinz von Heiden, but in case of doubt, both would be preferred over a more narrowly regional provider than Team Massiv. For example, have you also considered KB Brandis or Mein Haus (in Nauen, with whom, to my knowledge, and have built)?

Yes, we have and were/are very satisfied. At the time, the decisive factor for us was that we only had 6 months. And they managed it in 5 months. All trades worked perfectly together there.

2024-01-31 09:51:08

We built with "Mein Haus" from Nauen, they like to build solidly with Liaplan, a stone from Brandenburg. The construction process and quality were very good. If you feel like it, you can come and take a look at our house.

2024-01-31 10:08:13

You are welcome to explain that in more detail: You can read credit reports (if I remember correctly, Holzmann was on the verge of bankruptcy according to KPMG bumperlgsund, since then I don’t trust "at least 100%" of all auditors' certificates)?
By the way, there are performance bonds. Too big to fail is nonsense, but still an insurable risk.

Thank you. Both Heinz von Heiden and TMH, for example, have a Crefo certificate. Of course, that doesn’t guarantee protection against a default, but it is a plus. In my opinion, a construction performance insurance is anyway a must-have.

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