Standard land value and hillside property

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2017-04-09 20:25:48
  • #1
Hello everyone,

We are currently living in a two-family house (the landlord does not live in it). Now we have expressed the desire to buy the house. The landlord agrees but has no idea what the house including the land is worth, so an appraiser will come soon and assess the whole thing.

I have two questions for you experts in advance.

I uploaded a picture showing the plot. The boundary of the standard land value runs through the middle (taken from Boris.NRW). That means, the 700m² have a value of €110 / m². The other part of the plot is not assigned any standard land value (there is only forest behind the property). Are there general guidelines for this? Or is the entire plot calculated at €110 / m², even though the boundary is clearly marked?

The other question that really interests me: The plot is situated on an extreme slope. In other words, the plot is very large, but the garden is not as usable as if it were flat and even. Is the slope reflected in any way in the price?

I just want to inform myself a little beforehand before the appraiser shows up...

Many thanks in advance.

Best regards
 

toxicmolotof

2017-04-09 20:46:23
  • #2
The property is really large. As a rule, you have to consider two things. On the one hand, the commentary on the standard land value (which already gives discounts and surcharges for property sizes deviating from the usual size).

And then there will probably be a usual building depth up to which the property is usually buildable. Only this part of the property is valued as building land. The land behind it is garden land and is also valued as such. That can be 20-60 euros per sqm.

Is the property accessible from the south and could it possibly be divided? Then the bottom could possibly also be building land.
 

Nordlys

2017-04-09 21:00:36
  • #3
Regarding the standard land values. They reflect the past. So the prices actually paid during the recording period. How old is the value? They update about every two years. 31.12.16? Or 31.12.15? Expect higher prices for building land. The appraiser knows this tool and will classify it also in comparison to the latest prices. Also note what may still be stated there. Do the 110,- apply to single-family houses or multi-family houses. So single-family or multi-family houses. What is allowed in your area? Apartment buildings as well? Then the state's price is clearly higher. Rule of thumb, the more I am allowed to utilize the sqm, the more valuable it is. What applies to the rear parcel? Would it be buildable? Or is it clearly forest and grassland in the city's development plan? If so, it is certainly only worth 3-5 per sqm. In the standard land values, you should actually also find the appropriate prices for arable land, grassland, or forest in your area.
 

DG

2017-04-09 22:02:40
  • #4


Rather irrelevant. The discounts are generally so small that they get lost in negotiation.



Look at the BRW map. The red line/BRW boundary exactly matches this argument. The expert committee has simply taken out the remaining areas from the €110 zone due to their non-buildability, and if there is no value listed in the adjacent zone, either the lowest value for agricultural land, garden land, etc. applies, or it is a specially described special zone - which is presumably not the case here.



If someone is able to pay €60 for garden land, that is simply madness. Even €20 is already at the upper limit and probably only achievable with a lot of negotiation skill. Argumentation follows:



According to the original poster, there is only forest to the south. So no residential area and therefore no anticipated building land etc. The 900 sqm can therefore potentially be sold to neighboring forest farmers... who pay about €1-2 per sqm for forest in an undeveloped state. Additionally, the area is small, probably does not fit into management, might be poorly accessible from the forest side, steep, and on top of that apparently used as garden land for decades. Ergo... price for a forest farmer: zero euros. Don’t be surprised here, I am a forest farmer myself and would probably fundamentally refuse to buy if the area was offered to me.

What this means here is nothing other than that the area can only be sold to the current original poster/tenant or the two direct neighbors - both of whom have similar, steep, and poorly usable areas and probably little interest in acquiring more such maintenance-intensive areas.

Therefore, there are no €60, no €20, but rather zero euros for it. A solidarity price somewhere between 0 and 10 euros...

... because there might still be an option to market the area somewhat attractively, although that will probably be difficult. It is conceivable, however, that such an area can be used as compensation land for construction measures. For example, as extensively used orchard meadow to compensate for the fact that somewhere else someone seals land or similar.

From this constellation of theoretical demand, the average price results... and that is only around €20 here if the original poster has presented the situation roughly differently from what it actually is.



In BORIS.NRW the numbers are updated annually and can also be viewed for previous years. By April the figures for 2016 should be fully available in the system; if not, one should contact the responsible expert committee or look at the development of the last five years.



The €110 is the building land price. The fact that no standard land value is assigned to the remaining area means that this area is assessed as forest or agricultural land respectively garden land at a similar level.



That is – with all due respect – nonsense. A higher buildability is directly reflected in a higher standard land value; the €110 therefore reflects the current value in connection with the existing buildability. At most, if the building regulations change, that would lead to a change in the standard land value.



That is incorrect, see above.



Yes, but that is already included in the €110.



If it were buildable, it would have a value around €100, at least €50. Even as anticipated building land at least €30. The value is not stated, rather no value is given.

Ergo at 99.9% around €0-10.

Regards
Dirk Grafe
 

saar2and

2017-04-09 22:22:39
  • #5
It has the value that the buyer is willing to pay for it.
 

Nordlys

2017-04-09 22:41:51
  • #6
Dirk, you know NRW better. So it will be correct. In SH they update every two years and labeling of prices with single-family house or multi-family house is common. They also always provide the reference value for grassland, forest, and arable land here. For example, you can also look at an arable field in an open area, receive the average soil points of the state and the price. Otherwise, land is never zero. As compensation area it would also have a value of around 2,- per sqm. Because I can charge money for that if a city or an investor receives land for compensatory planting. Karsten
 

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