Soil assessment - Threshold values for arsenic and heavy metals

  • Erstellt am 2015-11-25 00:12:13

MarcWen

2015-11-25 19:36:15
  • #1
The decision is something no one can make for you. Here you have to weigh and decide for yourselves. It is certainly difficult to estimate the cost of removing the soil. At 50 cm, that is already about 300 sqm. If you are unlucky, you may also have to dispose of it accordingly.

You also have to consider what it ultimately brings you if your future neighbor does not do it. The development plan for "our" property included, among other things, "During soil excavation work, dust development must be counteracted as needed by regularly moistening the construction site."
 

Legurit

2015-11-25 19:46:37
  • #2
Is there nothing else in the area? I read a little - it sounds somewhat reassuring, what is written - that it is not washed out and also not absorbed by plants.
 

T21150

2015-11-25 20:17:18
  • #3


The values I have seen indicate a soil not completely free of contaminants. For example, arsenic at 30 mg/kg is already LAGA-0.

With the values I have seen, you can’t really say that this is contaminated....

As the building expert said today, you have to check the plot yourself.

My advice in the case you personally describe: Spend the €1000 (approximate price) for a survey, provided you are allowed to take the sample exactly on the plot where you want to build. You really have to hurry if you want to meet the deadline. So much for a): I would make the purchase decision dependent on the specific values. Building plots can vary from parcel to parcel.
Your heart seems attached to the plot and from what you describe I get the feeling that you would bear some additional costs and are willing to pay them.

Regarding b): Depending on the outcome of the survey, you can then do that. Calculations should then be based on facts.
Only a specialist can tell you the additional costs. Given the current situation, no one can give you an exact figure anyway. Because it depends on what the landfills currently charge (I think it’s overall LAGA-Z1 soil) and how much / which part you bring to the landfill. Also, what kind of soil is generally present and how you have to do the basement foundation (amount of gravel, etc.). You have to consider that you won’t just remove the soil in the house foundation area, but probably also in the garden if necessary.
Apart from that: You would probably need topsoil anyway – which is expensive but actually not additional costs. Only the excavation/landfill disposal of the old soil at 50-80 cm depth.

Regarding c): Never ever. That won’t go well because you can’t suppress it in the long run and would always have a bad feeling, even if it’s not justified (see a....survey).

Best regards Thorsten
 

dobabau

2015-11-25 21:42:55
  • #4
Today I have really learned a lot! Many thanks for the comments!

In the newspaper article by BeHaElJa, completely different dimensions of almost 250 mg/kg are mentioned, that is really a whole different league...

To also note something for the other readers with a similar problem, here are my findings so far:

- Except for arsenic, all measurement values are well below the limits valid for children's playgrounds according to the Soil Protection Act (these are the "strictest" limits). In the initial post, I had incorrectly interpreted the specified limits in the report.
- The value for arsenic is below the approved value for residential areas (yes, but over the one for playgrounds).

On the topic of plants / vegetable garden: The limit for arable land is 200 mg/kg (!!!). The zucchini in the supermarket does not necessarily grow on better soil...

-> Based purely on this, one cannot - at least legally - speak of a contaminated property.

Furthermore, I came across a very extensive treatise (Google "filetype df Arsenic in soils and rocks in the Karlsruhe administrative district"). It shows that the purely natural occurrence of arsenic in the local shell limestone is quite normal. The average background value is 17 mg/kg. In many regions, - completely naturally (without mines etc.) - average values well above 50 mg/kg can be found.

In short, regarding contamination, we have not found a paradise with our property, but it is not unlikely in this region (e.g., in the neighboring town or somewhere nearby) to find the same or even higher values.

As we say here in Swabia, there still remains a "Gschmäckle". We have a little daughter (2) and more children are planned - so playground conditions should apply.

We will therefore commission a chemical report and based on that (and the cost estimate) decide whether to replace the soil in our garden with good topsoil.
 

T21150

2015-11-25 22:17:50
  • #5
Hello to my Swabian homeland!

As I already wrote, it is (if at all in individual values, for arsenic +1 above LAGA0) just slightly elevated and not completely free of pollutants (LAGA0, but all the elements are also present in the soil, just in lower concentrations).

I'm glad: You have made a decision. Maybe the soil sample directly on the planned parcel shows completely LAGA 0? It's possible! Especially with the above deviation..... it is minimal.

The chemical soil report should be done anyway, because of the excavation (disposal costs decrease the lower the LAGA class is; if no report is available, the highest class is often assumed). The money is not lost if you decide on the property. In any case, well invested, you quickly create facts for a solid decision-making process. Great.

All the very best for you.

Best regards
Thorsten
 

dobabau

2015-11-25 23:09:00
  • #6
Thank you very much! I can already see, building a house is really a rollercoaster of emotions. It’s going straight to the heart of the matter.
 

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