Roof covering and solar technician selection - Decision?

  • Erstellt am 2022-08-10 18:21:49

Elias_dee

2023-03-26 23:19:22
  • #1
Hi, I would like to thank everyone again for the help here in the thread. Our modules have now been installed and I didn’t want to miss showing you the system, see photos in the attachment.

Inverters will come later, once the house electrics are in place (but they are already in stock).

In one year I will give you a report on how many kWh I was able to get. PVGIS says approx. 10,000 kWh south / 7,000 kWh north. Location is Lower Bavaria.

Data:
Modules: 58 x Q.PEAK DUO-G9 350
Inverters: 1 x Fronius Symo Gen24 10.0 & 1 x Fronius Symo 10.0
Storage: none [IMG alt=""]https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t59/1.5/16/1f60b.png[/IMG]

Planned use: household electricity, heat pump, hybrid vehicle, feed-in (obviously)

PS: And before anyone comes with that - I know sanitary vents can be built over, but we didn’t do that...
 

kati1337

2023-03-27 08:37:56
  • #2
Looks great, those are a few kWp coming together there.
Would you like to reveal where you ended up price-wise with everything included?
 

Elias_dee

2023-03-27 09:18:21
  • #3


Thanks! I really like it too :-)

Sure: The system cost just under €28,000 all in -> about €1360 / kWp. Everything is included and zero personal labor. I would have liked to help out, but I have so many other things under construction right now, so this suits me fine.
 

Bausparfuchs

2023-03-27 09:41:29
  • #4
Congratulations on your great system.

But built too expensively and hardly useful without storage. With these electricity prices, a photovoltaic system without storage simply doesn’t make sense. Even if many experts in other forums see it differently. No one admits to having been mistaken.

As you can see, you have also built expensively. The solar installer is happy because the margin with storage becomes smaller. Doesn’t matter.

With 10,000 kWh consumption, your system might allow you 2,000 - 3,000 kWh self-consumption. The rest comes back as feed-in tariff.
At 8.5 cents per kWh and 14,000 kWh feed-in, that might be about 1,200 euros. Plus the savings from the 3,000 kWh, so maybe another 1,500 euros in electricity costs. That makes a total of 2,700 euros saved annually and the system would be amortized in about 10 years.

A 10 kW storage would save you 3,000 kWh of grid consumption annually. Roughly calculated, that would bring another 1,500 € savings. That would bring another 30,000 € in 20 years. The storage would have paid off after 5 years.

I have a storage and would install it again at any time. I have been completely self-sufficient and without grid consumption for 1 week. And I will remain so until mid to late October except for a few very rare days.

From 4:00 pm the storage takes over and covers the base load. TV, PC, lighting, refrigerator, etc. About 5 kW from the storage is enough until the next morning. If it rains, the household grid takes the remaining 5 kW from the storage. Otherwise, it covers its demand from the photovoltaic system until 4:00 pm. I have controlled the electric water heating with a timer. Daily from 10 am to 3 pm. Washing clothes and dishwasher also only during this time.

So you have a huge photovoltaic system on the roof, of which you can only use 30 percent of the electricity production. You have to generate 6 kWh to buy 1 kWh with it. Of course, storage makes more sense today than ever. ;)
 

RotorMotor

2023-03-27 10:16:14
  • #5

Clear case of, what are all these wrong-way drivers doing here?!


What nonsense.


How do you come up with such an absurdly high consumption for a new building?


Yes, sure, 300 cycles, if you’re lucky maybe 200.
You yourself write below that you mostly get 5 kWh from the storage.
That would rather be about 150 cycles.
And what about all the losses caused by such a storage?


So 2000 kWh x (29 ct/kWh - 8.5 ct/kWh) = €410
At about €7000 for the storage, 17 years payback.
For a part that maybe only lasts 10 years, not so great.
And energetically/CO2-wise such a storage never pays off.


In contrast, that’s really great!
10 years ROI for something that lasts significantly longer is really good.
And energetically it’s paid off after 2 years.


Look at the comparison portals. Electricity is again available for under 30 ct/kWh (in most regions).
At 8.5 kWh/ct yield that doesn’t make 6:1 but 3.5:1 and I think he will easily achieve that with his system! :-)
 

Bookstar87

2023-03-27 10:50:40
  • #6
Absolutely correct. Better to install a storage and only half the size system. More than 10 kWp also makes little sense for a single-family home, even with an e-car. The amortization will thank you. Storages are nowadays highly economical.

Moreover, off-grid and emergency power operation. What is personally even more valuable to me is that I don't have to adapt my life and consumption to times of day. Storage is the coolest thing there is and the good ones easily last 15 to 20 years.
 

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