Railing Guidelines - Head Protection Catch Point and Climbing Prevention

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But does that mean that even if sentences 1 and 2 are excluded by the definition of the building class, 3. still applies and states: 3. in case of irregular openings, climbing over must not be facilitated and in no direction be larger than 12 cm.

Does that mean that the gaps must not be larger than 12 cm either horizontally or vertically?

So in BW simply lost, right? (If even a single child visit cannot be excluded.)

Exactly. Sentence 1 and 2 are not to be considered for a single-family house, but §5 No. 2 still applies. One has nothing to do with the other. As a builder, I would definitely never install something like that. The question of liability is far too risky. Put glass in front or install a different railing.

Okay, I give up... As I said, there were no children permanently in the house, so we could just leave out the Plexiglass panel you mentioned, but if I have correctly followed the state building regulations, it still wouldn't be allowed :confused:.

I’m not exactly sure if the building authority will come again, but I have to assume so.

What about vertical flat steel rods every 120mm? That should be okay, right?

Yesterday we had a crisis meeting with the managing director of our home construction company. The whole thing is really getting out of hand, and we are about to involve a lawyer because there are issues here where we can no longer proceed reasonably. One of these issues is the following topic.
The latest stunt is that we have railings commissioned above a gallery between the ground floor and upper floor and outside on the balcony. We want these railings with horizontally running bars (very rough pictures for illustration attached). Now the construction company comes along and says, we don’t make such railings, we should remove the service and commission a locksmith for it.

I am highly astonished by the assessment

The clear answer is YES and NO. It depends on the federal state and the state building code.

and assume that most locksmiths will also refuse. Let yourself be guided more by reasonable experts!
My impression based on your thread history is that of a style-oriented DIY builder who will end up crying with three lawyers in front of a ruin that could have been a flawless industrial product with just 0.815 percent less perfectionism.

I think when we are finished building, I will write a book: "Pitfalls of prefab houses"....

My alternative title suggestion would accordingly be: "Pitfalls of Overturning the Optimization Screw".

If only every builder (who is usually a layperson) were as incredibly educated as you are. Had the overview everywhere as you do. Knew every regulation as you do........ Oh wait, then such a forum wouldn’t even be necessary anymore...

What you always assume is actually the most interesting aspect of your posts, unfortunately their content becomes thinner and thinner year by year, now so thin that one would wish you would just stop. You must be a very afflicted person who has experienced a lot of crap and now wants to punish anyone internally who dares to realize their dream because you failed at it.

I actually even feel very sorry for you, which is why I will stop hitting the nail in the head as you do nowadays in almost every one of your posts at others.

You cause the mood in many threads to swing negatively just because you want to express your unnecessary opinion. This forum is actually a really good source of information and this thread shows on very few pages the top (solution) to a question that concerns not only us but builders throughout Baden-Württemberg. I now know where it stands and can understand what it’s about, accept this legislation and look for an alternative. Period. Why do you have to spread your useless opinion here again, which is simply nonsense with sauce and contributes nothing to this topic.

Had you sat opposite the hothead yesterday in my place, you could have heard his absolutely inconsistent argumentation on countless matters as well. He constantly invents things that are supposedly not allowed, cause problems, etc. You can’t trust him one bit, yes we would have known that beforehand, but we didn’t. If he were serious, he could explain calmly without a loud voice why it doesn’t work and that it can be found in the state building code under paragraph X, but he doesn’t, so how can I believe that what he says is true if already about 10 things beforehand demonstrably didn’t check out, mostly things he just can’t get anymore at the price he could have one and a half years ago when we signed the contract.

So please just stop the senseless writing and philosophizing if you can’t contribute anything to the topic. As you may have already noticed in my other threads, I always try to ignore you, but you just never stop your comments that cause negative moods. And to go further, your assumption back then in my very first thread:

That’s a fantastic idea, to quickly check the evening before the sample selection whether there might also be forums for home builders on the internet.

was also wrong, I have known you and this forum for almost two years now, I just limited myself to reading until now...

Maybe you will take my moderately well-meant criticism to heart and think about what kind of contribution you actually still make here. Your knowledge base is actually not wrong and could help newcomers like me a lot if you didn’t always drive them away from this forum directly because they no longer dare to write their questions. That’s what a forum lives on and dumb questions are part of it. It is mostly secondary why these questions are asked, although interesting, much more important is a solution that everyone can work with...

Thank you!

Also thanks to everyone who has helped me this far, fortunately, this has already been evident through my likes.

If only every builder (who is usually a layperson) were as incredibly educated as you are. [...] Maybe you should just take my moderately well-meant criticism to heart and think about what kind of contribution you are actually still making here. Your knowledge base is actually not bad and could help beginners like me a lot, if you didn’t always scare them away from this forum again immediately because they no longer dare to write their questions.

I would never write a post with such a high level of acid reflux as you did with this picture-perfect ingratitude speech, which is, by the way, completely unnecessary: I started my last year in this forum two weeks ago – but you don’t have to wait until I leave here. Just move your mouse over my member name in any of my posts. Then a box with the option "Ignore" appears – it’s that simple, and this way you will be spared from my "ever thinning but actually not bad knowledge base" until further notice, and you won’t have to irritate the other readers with your “dance of death.”

I am – as is well known and confessed! – a layperson myself in several hundred fields. Twice last year I took breaks from my presence in this forum, the more recent one lasting eight or nine weeks. During that time I was only not actively writing but was a constant reader. Scared newbies, who would have praised my absence as a blessing, at least hid well. On the other hand, I received some requests to come back. By the way, I only harshly criticize here – but admittedly passionately – planners of the kind " warns," so actually architects without quotation marks, when they deliver worse performance than the sign slaves. Newbies of the kind "oops, you stupid internet, who cares about search functions, I just post ‘my’ FAQ again and naturally expect that all crystal ball gazers can read my thoughts" also get their share of harshness from and by me (although I’m almost a bit embarrassed by how heavily this generates likes).

That I am a happy tenant will never stop me from wishing others their dream houses. I even professionally guide them there, in case you haven’t noticed yet. As long as they don’t build them in my line of sight, by the way, these may even be McMansion hells, Tuscan houses, and gold-chain villas for all I care. My living situation is by no means a "failure," I am "surrounded" by nice neighbors (no Makita radios, no leopard print wire fences, no nagging goats), and the reason my own home is not yet planned is mainly because I have no grandchildren in sight yet. My place of residence is almost ideally located professionally, except for the too few highways crossing the Rhine. But for that, it’s not far to the "mountains" when I want to go Sunday hiking in that back-of-nowhere whose real name I’m no longer supposed to mention near 's sky-blue Stommel house. So all is well.

Hello dear ones, Yesterday we had a crisis meeting with the managing director of our house construction company. The whole thing is really escalating, and we are on the verge of involving a lawyer because there are points where we can no longer proceed reasonably. One of these points is the following topic...

This topic you mentioned, where apparently the managing director of the general contractor was not willing to follow your argumentation, has now developed in such a way that you had to retreat from your position. Maybe this is the case with other open "disputes" as well? When I talk to customers (who are mostly laymen in my field), I also hear some bizarre ideas and notions. But I always prefer to talk to professionals who can follow my ideas. We also reject such absurd orders that only bring trouble to both sides. I find that absolutely understandable. Maybe you could try the following: You approach the managing director, start with an apology...: "Dear Mr. XXX, I think I got a bit carried away, sorry about that. I was of the opinion that..., but I am now informed and you were absolutely right. However, I would like to ask you to complete this project to our mutual satisfaction and would now like to openly and constructively clarify the still open points 1., 2., etc. with you. Would you be willing to do so, I would be very pleased.... Good communication makes life so much easier, says someone who only learned that late ;-) - born in '67