Lunalie
2019-08-30 13:51:01
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Hello everyone,
I specifically registered here because I need some advice.
The following happened: we built in 2013 and at the beginning of 2014 we filled up to a non-permission-required height and supported it with a retaining wall.
Then the neighbor demolished a building in mid-2014 that was built right up to the property boundary and deepened our land by 210 cm over a width of 50 cm, which, among other things, damaged our retaining wall.
He then also retained the land (i.e., his 210 cm deepening) with a retaining wall, but not on his property, rather on ours.
Now the situation is that the neighbor’s retaining wall alone no longer qualifies as permission-free (because it is over 2 meters).
Together with our retaining wall, which stands slightly set back behind the neighbor’s wall, the structure is just over 3 meters high.
In 2017, the neighbor involved the building authority, which ordered us to have the retaining wall approved and to have the boundary measured (the “nice” neighbor had also removed the boundary stones, which made a new survey necessary).
In 2018, despite our warnings to him and the construction company carrying out the work (presumably his own), and a neon yellow glowing boundary marker that was impossible to overlook, he again deepened our property and built another retaining wall on it (this time, so to speak, crossing the boundary as an “extension”).
A building permit now costs around 4,000 euros in total, which we do not want to cover.
Additionally, enormous costs for a structural engineer have now accrued, since we needed to know whether the neighbor’s wall parts could be removed without our retaining wall collapsing.
The current situation is: the neighbor’s walls cannot be torn down without rendering our retaining wall structurally unsound.
The building authority does not consider itself responsible because the neighbor claims he neither excavated nor built over — the building authority has documents on the exact boundary and the original heights; since we filled our property, it is logically not us who deepened and retained our property to the neighbor’s detriment.
In any case, the neighbor has also built a parking lot, a garden shed, and a fence on our property in addition to the aforementioned retaining walls.
To maintain neighborly peace, we then offered the neighbor to have the deepening, including the permission-required structure on our property, approved, and in return, he could use the 21 sqm of land free of charge.
This exceedingly kind and generous offer from us was rejected by him.
The current status is that we have now filed a lawsuit at the regional court for removal and restoration of the natural terrain (which would eliminate the need for a building permit since the original state of the property would be restored).
After the restoration of the terrain, logically, my neighbor would have to retain on his own property.
Since the neighbor and his lawyer continue happily to lie in defense against the lawsuit (claiming the property does not belong to us and that nothing was built over, all of which was already refuted by us in writing in the statement of claim) and no concession can be expected here, I assume that even after a judgment is pronounced, the neighbor will not remove his overbuildings/land deepening.
My question now is (perhaps there are experiences here regarding this):
How do I clarify this with the building authority?
They want to pin the blame on us but somehow also do not want anything to do with this whole theater.
Who is responsible here for the restoration of the natural terrain or alternatively for the building permit?
We, as property owners, or the neighbor as the builder?
Whether a possible compulsory enforcement will be successful is also questionable (by now the guy has at least 5 children).
And an alternative performance at our own expense is financially not possible at the moment (maybe in 5-10 years).
How do I clarify this with the building authority?
Because apparently it is already the case that the building authority can also obligate us as property owners.
I have already spoken with the head of the office, but he unfortunately does not seem very motivated to resolve this. :-/
Does anyone have an idea?
I would like to bring this whole theater to an end as quickly and objectively as possible without having to take legal action against the building authority again (all of this also costs a lot of money, time, and nerves).
Thanks very much in advance for all well-intentioned advice!
Best regards.
I specifically registered here because I need some advice.
The following happened: we built in 2013 and at the beginning of 2014 we filled up to a non-permission-required height and supported it with a retaining wall.
Then the neighbor demolished a building in mid-2014 that was built right up to the property boundary and deepened our land by 210 cm over a width of 50 cm, which, among other things, damaged our retaining wall.
He then also retained the land (i.e., his 210 cm deepening) with a retaining wall, but not on his property, rather on ours.
Now the situation is that the neighbor’s retaining wall alone no longer qualifies as permission-free (because it is over 2 meters).
Together with our retaining wall, which stands slightly set back behind the neighbor’s wall, the structure is just over 3 meters high.
In 2017, the neighbor involved the building authority, which ordered us to have the retaining wall approved and to have the boundary measured (the “nice” neighbor had also removed the boundary stones, which made a new survey necessary).
In 2018, despite our warnings to him and the construction company carrying out the work (presumably his own), and a neon yellow glowing boundary marker that was impossible to overlook, he again deepened our property and built another retaining wall on it (this time, so to speak, crossing the boundary as an “extension”).
A building permit now costs around 4,000 euros in total, which we do not want to cover.
Additionally, enormous costs for a structural engineer have now accrued, since we needed to know whether the neighbor’s wall parts could be removed without our retaining wall collapsing.
The current situation is: the neighbor’s walls cannot be torn down without rendering our retaining wall structurally unsound.
The building authority does not consider itself responsible because the neighbor claims he neither excavated nor built over — the building authority has documents on the exact boundary and the original heights; since we filled our property, it is logically not us who deepened and retained our property to the neighbor’s detriment.
In any case, the neighbor has also built a parking lot, a garden shed, and a fence on our property in addition to the aforementioned retaining walls.
To maintain neighborly peace, we then offered the neighbor to have the deepening, including the permission-required structure on our property, approved, and in return, he could use the 21 sqm of land free of charge.
This exceedingly kind and generous offer from us was rejected by him.
The current status is that we have now filed a lawsuit at the regional court for removal and restoration of the natural terrain (which would eliminate the need for a building permit since the original state of the property would be restored).
After the restoration of the terrain, logically, my neighbor would have to retain on his own property.
Since the neighbor and his lawyer continue happily to lie in defense against the lawsuit (claiming the property does not belong to us and that nothing was built over, all of which was already refuted by us in writing in the statement of claim) and no concession can be expected here, I assume that even after a judgment is pronounced, the neighbor will not remove his overbuildings/land deepening.
My question now is (perhaps there are experiences here regarding this):
How do I clarify this with the building authority?
They want to pin the blame on us but somehow also do not want anything to do with this whole theater.
Who is responsible here for the restoration of the natural terrain or alternatively for the building permit?
We, as property owners, or the neighbor as the builder?
Whether a possible compulsory enforcement will be successful is also questionable (by now the guy has at least 5 children).
And an alternative performance at our own expense is financially not possible at the moment (maybe in 5-10 years).
How do I clarify this with the building authority?
Because apparently it is already the case that the building authority can also obligate us as property owners.
I have already spoken with the head of the office, but he unfortunately does not seem very motivated to resolve this. :-/
Does anyone have an idea?
I would like to bring this whole theater to an end as quickly and objectively as possible without having to take legal action against the building authority again (all of this also costs a lot of money, time, and nerves).
Thanks very much in advance for all well-intentioned advice!
Best regards.