PearlJam1976
2013-06-10 12:55:57
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Hello dear experts in the forum!
We are currently having a terraced house built by a developer.
Interior walls are already plastered. Installation of the underfloor heating and the heating and sanitary fixtures is imminent. After that, the screed will be applied.
Regarding the electrical installation:
The developer standard was, of course, once again close to the minimal equipment according to DIN or RAL 1*.
For this reason, we had to pay an additional charge of nearly 8,000 EUR for various extra sockets, network cabling, and an 8-participant satellite system (5 users).
In the construction contract between the developer and the electrical company, an installation in conduit was clearly agreed upon. Also, when commissioning our special requests, formulations such as “satellite system from the attic to the basement in conduit” were used.
In retrospect, the electrical company found out that they did not install the system or did not do so continuously in conduit. They justified their approach with the “local customary installation” and also stated that even with conduit, no subsequent cable pulling is possible (with sheathed cables).
This manifests as follows (please also look at the pictures – the link is given below):
Installations on the concrete floor or in the concrete ceiling are in conduit up to just inside or in front of the brick walls. After that, the sheathed cable continues under the plaster to the boxes.
The Cat7 and coaxial cables were even laid correctly up to the boxes. However, the cables then lie partially bare (without conduit) in the riser to the basement, which was later bricked up and filled (no shaft!).
All walls are already plastered. The riser is bricked up per floor and the corresponding recesses in the concrete floors are concreted closed.
Opening the riser is, in the opinion of the involved companies, no longer possible because the risk of damaging the gas, water, and electrical lines is too great.
We were initially offered a compensation sum of a mere 300 EUR for this gross overall defect.
Now I am at the point with the developer and the electrical company that the following will be retrofitted at no cost to me:
Next to the original riser, a small shaft will be newly built in which a total of 5 empty conduits as reserve should run into various rooms or the attic.
The shaft will be visually inconspicuous, matched to the existing conditions, and plastered. The empty conduits will then be led over the raw floor to a location of my choice and later cut flush with the screed there.
This solution is intended to compensate for the missing replaceability of the Cat and coaxial cables.
Furthermore, the warranty for the cables in the riser will be extended from 5 to 10 years according to VOB.
The compensation sum was increased from 300 EUR to 600 EUR.
We are now willing to have the solution with the shaft and the empty conduits (reserve) implemented. We can also imagine the warranty extension.
However, the amount of the compensation payment is not comprehensible or acceptable to us.
We are of the opinion that there is a significant difference between the installation carried out and the intended installation (completely in conduit).
From our point of view, the following impairments must be permanently accepted by us and can no longer be corrected on site:
- Disadvantage compared to the other owners of the terraced houses. In their cases, installations were changed afterwards or carried out from the beginning, partly beyond the standard (in conduit with individual wires).
- Retrofitting of all cables is not possible because even cables laid in conduit up to the box are bricked in without conduit in the riser.
Costs, time, and material effort in the event of future damage or retrofit are significantly higher than in the other houses.
- Due to missing conduits and boxes in cast in-situ concrete walls during the shell construction phase (I have the work plans), installations are now located in places that we originally did not intend or plan.
- Due to partly sloppy installation and deviations from usual installation zones, there is a risk of future cable damage.
- Repairs in the riser (including gas and water) will only be possible in the future with great caution because the electrical cables were tied with cable ties on and between the water/heating pipes.
We would like to know your opinion on this topic.
We are especially interested in your assessment of a realistic compensation.
We are also interested in your general opinion on the quality of the installation.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and advice!
Regards
PearlJam1976
We are currently having a terraced house built by a developer.
Interior walls are already plastered. Installation of the underfloor heating and the heating and sanitary fixtures is imminent. After that, the screed will be applied.
Regarding the electrical installation:
The developer standard was, of course, once again close to the minimal equipment according to DIN or RAL 1*.
For this reason, we had to pay an additional charge of nearly 8,000 EUR for various extra sockets, network cabling, and an 8-participant satellite system (5 users).
In the construction contract between the developer and the electrical company, an installation in conduit was clearly agreed upon. Also, when commissioning our special requests, formulations such as “satellite system from the attic to the basement in conduit” were used.
In retrospect, the electrical company found out that they did not install the system or did not do so continuously in conduit. They justified their approach with the “local customary installation” and also stated that even with conduit, no subsequent cable pulling is possible (with sheathed cables).
This manifests as follows (please also look at the pictures – the link is given below):
Installations on the concrete floor or in the concrete ceiling are in conduit up to just inside or in front of the brick walls. After that, the sheathed cable continues under the plaster to the boxes.
The Cat7 and coaxial cables were even laid correctly up to the boxes. However, the cables then lie partially bare (without conduit) in the riser to the basement, which was later bricked up and filled (no shaft!).
All walls are already plastered. The riser is bricked up per floor and the corresponding recesses in the concrete floors are concreted closed.
Opening the riser is, in the opinion of the involved companies, no longer possible because the risk of damaging the gas, water, and electrical lines is too great.
We were initially offered a compensation sum of a mere 300 EUR for this gross overall defect.
Now I am at the point with the developer and the electrical company that the following will be retrofitted at no cost to me:
Next to the original riser, a small shaft will be newly built in which a total of 5 empty conduits as reserve should run into various rooms or the attic.
The shaft will be visually inconspicuous, matched to the existing conditions, and plastered. The empty conduits will then be led over the raw floor to a location of my choice and later cut flush with the screed there.
This solution is intended to compensate for the missing replaceability of the Cat and coaxial cables.
Furthermore, the warranty for the cables in the riser will be extended from 5 to 10 years according to VOB.
The compensation sum was increased from 300 EUR to 600 EUR.
We are now willing to have the solution with the shaft and the empty conduits (reserve) implemented. We can also imagine the warranty extension.
However, the amount of the compensation payment is not comprehensible or acceptable to us.
We are of the opinion that there is a significant difference between the installation carried out and the intended installation (completely in conduit).
From our point of view, the following impairments must be permanently accepted by us and can no longer be corrected on site:
- Disadvantage compared to the other owners of the terraced houses. In their cases, installations were changed afterwards or carried out from the beginning, partly beyond the standard (in conduit with individual wires).
- Retrofitting of all cables is not possible because even cables laid in conduit up to the box are bricked in without conduit in the riser.
Costs, time, and material effort in the event of future damage or retrofit are significantly higher than in the other houses.
- Due to missing conduits and boxes in cast in-situ concrete walls during the shell construction phase (I have the work plans), installations are now located in places that we originally did not intend or plan.
- Due to partly sloppy installation and deviations from usual installation zones, there is a risk of future cable damage.
- Repairs in the riser (including gas and water) will only be possible in the future with great caution because the electrical cables were tied with cable ties on and between the water/heating pipes.
We would like to know your opinion on this topic.
We are especially interested in your assessment of a realistic compensation.
We are also interested in your general opinion on the quality of the installation.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and advice!
Regards
PearlJam1976