Is this moisture normal in an apartment?

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lanter

2014-03-14 09:27:52
  • #1
THE QUESTIONS

Is the humidity described below normal in a 4-person household on 100m2? (Personally, I have had different experiences before.)
Is the 4-person household the sole, normal cause of this humidity?
Or are there other sources of moisture to be suspected (e.g., structural causes)?

I am happy to send a specialist for a more detailed assessment the files (MS Excel) with the values (temperature, relative humidity, dew point) recorded every minute since about February 22 from various rooms and the (outside) balcony.

THE FACTS

January 14 handover of the apartment, thermostats of all heaters turned to star setting
The apartment received new, modern windows in 2013.

From January 30 renovation by 2 people: two rooms wallpapered, new ceiling panels installed

February 4 family moved in, most heaters turned up again somewhat, although not fully to 20°C

Approximately 2/3 weeks after moving in, mold appeared in three different corners (not edges), all facing completely outward. During these 2/3 weeks, the relative humidity in the apartment was sometimes above 80%.

In the meantime, the ceiling paneling had swollen and therefore became like a "roller coaster."

From about this time, we also regularly ventilate the apartment by shock/short ventilation.
[By the way, in our previous apartment (housing cooperative, renovated all around shortly before, new, tight windows, absolutely well insulated walls, hardly any heating needed) ventilation was recommended but absolutely not necessary.]

One month after installing the new ceiling panels, they were removed again, cut again, and reinstalled (to prevent possible falling down)

Meanwhile, with the aforementioned regular shock ventilation and not quite so wintry outside temperatures, mostly “only” over 60%, but occasionally also over 70% relative humidity, see examples below

Some of the wallpapers newly installed and painted during the renovation have still not dried at their seams. This also concerns, above all, wallpapers located on one of the interior walls.

By the way, laundry (only tried once) does not dry in the apartment (at least with closed windows).

EXAMPLES

March 9
very long ventilation (outside temperature 18.8°C) -> then 3:20 pm all windows and doors closed
Room 1: 3:20 pm rel. humidity 38% -> 7:33 pm rel. humidity 50% -> 9:29 pm rel. humidity 60%; no person was in this room during this time
Room 2: 3:20 pm rel. humidity 40% -> 4:50 pm rel. humidity 50% -> 6:30 pm rel. humidity 58% -> 10:30 pm rel. humidity 65%; no person was in this room during this time

March 13/14
shock ventilation -> then 9:30 pm all windows and doors closed
Room 2 adults: 9:30 pm rel. humidity 51% -> 7:00 am rel. humidity 67%
Room 2 children: 9:30 pm rel. humidity 49% -> 7:00 am rel. humidity 64%
empty, currently unused room: 9:30 pm rel. humidity 45% -> 7:00 am rel. humidity 53%
 

Bauexperte

2014-03-14 10:34:33
  • #2
Hello,

what is so bad about heating?


A person processes about 0.4 l of oxygen per minute; exhales 1 l of water/day, without transpiration through the skin.


With these documents, you should contact a "real existing" specialist. Free support is not productive for you.


Was the masonry or insulation adapted to the new windows as well? Probably not. And why did you set the radiators "only" to the star (frost protection) setting?


Brought moisture into the apartment without removing it?


Laundry belongs in the dryer and not in the apartment if no other option for external drying is available.

It is not possible to assess your case from the outside; an expert must get an impression on site. But since you, in my view, are saving in the wrong place (heating like ventilating), you will in my opinion bear partial guilt for the condition of the apartment.

Rhenish regards
 

Jaydee

2014-03-14 10:35:02
  • #3
Hello,

I am not an expert, but I recently read that there is more often a problem due to new windows and NON-insulated walls. This is because the condensation no longer forms on the glass, but on the walls (simplified), and it can no longer escape because the new windows are much tighter than the old ones.

Therefore, you should definitely continue to ventilate by briefly opening the windows, but in the following rhythm: 3 minutes of ventilation, 3 minutes with the windows closed, 3 minutes of ventilation again - repeat this whole cycle 3 times. (5 - 6 times a day) To get the moisture out at all.

Furthermore, you should consider installing a decentralized ventilation system if it is your condominium.

If you live in a rental building, I would advise you to consult with the landlord to track down the cause. Possibly with a specialist.
 

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