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2018-01-09 20:59:32
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Hello, we are shortly before the handover of the house.
Recently we measured the knee wall.
According to the contract, it was supposed to be 150cm finished.
However, these are all clear raw construction dimensions.
Of course, we did not think about that and we were never informed about it.
Well, now it’s too late.
Our screed buildup on the upper floor is 12cm.
So, without flooring, it should actually be a knee wall of 138 cm.
Our site manager, who has authority but gets nothing done, agrees with me on this point.
(We have 2 site managers, whereby the 2nd one isn’t really authorized to give orders)
However, we only have a 128cm knee wall.
The 1st site manager wanted to measure it and give me information, of course never happened.
The 2nd site manager writes:
“The clear raw construction height is measured from the top edge of the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the collar beam.
The height of the knee wall is also correct, because I also checked it there. Here, too, you measure from the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the rafter.
The lining must of course be deducted. When measured on the roof slope, this results in about 9 - 10 cm vertically.
So 1.50 m - 0.09 m - 0.13 m for the screed (without covering) results in a dimension of 1.28 m or, with 0.10 m suspension, a dimension of 1.27 m.”
Here we have exactly a 10cm difference.
According to my technical understanding (I also once took technical drawing in training and learned assembly technology), the dimension in the plan is from the raw floor base to the “bend”, i.e., the beginning of the roof slope.
(Attachment)
After another email, there was another statement from the 2nd site manager:
“In all given dimensions, the finishing covering always has to be deducted. For example, the interior plaster, the screed, the ceiling covering,
the door frames, etc.
A finished installation height is not specified, because due to the tolerances in structural work, deviations of up to 4 cm can occur.”
I then tried to explain to him again that the dimension starts from the floor and the ceiling has nothing to do with it.
Another email from the site manager then:
“Attached I am now sending you an excerpt from the red drawings and have marked the dimension chain for the clear raw construction height.
Here you can clearly see that the dimension chain relates to the wooden beam and not to the lining.
Why should the dimensioning of the knee wall suddenly relate to the finished ceiling, while all other dimensions can be traced back to the raw construction
and only that for the knee wall not.
If you are still not satisfied with my explanation, then you will have to contact the project planner again, because I have now reached my limit with my explanations.”
As I said, in the plan, in my opinion, you can also clearly see the plasterboards on the wall and ceiling.
And the dimension goes up to the transition (on the plasterboard).
I hope for an independent expert opinion here.
Sorry for the long text
Thank you very much


Recently we measured the knee wall.
According to the contract, it was supposed to be 150cm finished.
However, these are all clear raw construction dimensions.
Of course, we did not think about that and we were never informed about it.
Well, now it’s too late.
Our screed buildup on the upper floor is 12cm.
So, without flooring, it should actually be a knee wall of 138 cm.
Our site manager, who has authority but gets nothing done, agrees with me on this point.
(We have 2 site managers, whereby the 2nd one isn’t really authorized to give orders)
However, we only have a 128cm knee wall.
The 1st site manager wanted to measure it and give me information, of course never happened.
The 2nd site manager writes:
“The clear raw construction height is measured from the top edge of the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the collar beam.
The height of the knee wall is also correct, because I also checked it there. Here, too, you measure from the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the rafter.
The lining must of course be deducted. When measured on the roof slope, this results in about 9 - 10 cm vertically.
So 1.50 m - 0.09 m - 0.13 m for the screed (without covering) results in a dimension of 1.28 m or, with 0.10 m suspension, a dimension of 1.27 m.”
Here we have exactly a 10cm difference.
According to my technical understanding (I also once took technical drawing in training and learned assembly technology), the dimension in the plan is from the raw floor base to the “bend”, i.e., the beginning of the roof slope.
(Attachment)
After another email, there was another statement from the 2nd site manager:
“In all given dimensions, the finishing covering always has to be deducted. For example, the interior plaster, the screed, the ceiling covering,
the door frames, etc.
A finished installation height is not specified, because due to the tolerances in structural work, deviations of up to 4 cm can occur.”
I then tried to explain to him again that the dimension starts from the floor and the ceiling has nothing to do with it.
Another email from the site manager then:
“Attached I am now sending you an excerpt from the red drawings and have marked the dimension chain for the clear raw construction height.
Here you can clearly see that the dimension chain relates to the wooden beam and not to the lining.
Why should the dimensioning of the knee wall suddenly relate to the finished ceiling, while all other dimensions can be traced back to the raw construction
and only that for the knee wall not.
If you are still not satisfied with my explanation, then you will have to contact the project planner again, because I have now reached my limit with my explanations.”
As I said, in the plan, in my opinion, you can also clearly see the plasterboards on the wall and ceiling.
And the dimension goes up to the transition (on the plasterboard).
I hope for an independent expert opinion here.
Sorry for the long text
Thank you very much