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This was written by IKEANER:

Slowly, I’m really running out of patience, so I would like to address two points that are close to my heart:

- This community is called "Ikea Fans" – Why do people come here just to get senselessly upset about something and then wonder why the community argues in favor of IKEA??? Do the same people get upset on MacTalk because it’s about computers or in a VW community because it’s about cars?? I don’t understand. Please stay somewhere else.

- There are obviously a lot of positive IKEA crazies here and even a few employees who voluntarily try to help people or give tips here in their free time. These groups definitely do NOT deserve the attitude of some users here. If someone constantly goes around here with "everything is nonsense" and "IKEA is stupid because..." stupidly and pointlessly complaining, they shouldn’t be surprised if they get some rough opposition sometimes. I admire, for example, Nayla Mav who still shows remarkable calmness and self-discipline even towards the biggest idiots and hooligans. But I also think that many cannot be made to learn this way.

Some people should reflect and consider why they are here, what they want here, and how they express themselves to the many who voluntarily and for fun want to give tips and support here.

I hope, IKEANER, that it is in your interest that I have also added this to the topic

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Hello Ikeaner,

I can understand that you feel that way in some places. If I were in your position, I would probably see it the same way. Since I am also active in some other communities and things are similar there, I can quite well imagine how it feels.

On the other hand: a community is always an exchange, and there are naturally people who express dissatisfaction. That it should happen objectively and not under the motto "all nonsense" goes without saying; in this respect, my choice of words with "feel fooled/tricked" might not have been entirely accurate, for which I would like to apologize. However, this NEVER (!) referred to a) forum members present here and b) a specific IKEA employee, but rather to IKEA’s business tactics. For me, it is not a contradiction to like and buy the products but still not fully agree with the business conduct. I am here because I like IKEA products and want to exchange ideas about them, and that works wonderfully here. I have already received a lot of help here and always like coming back here, as is the case with IKEA itself.

Should you, Ikeaner, have felt personally attacked, that was not my intention. If you happen to be in building 164, we can meet for a coffee in the restaurant sometime.

Best regards Christian

... a community is always an exchange, and there are always people who speak up because they don’t like something. That it should be done objectively [...] goes without saying [...] For me, it is not a contradiction to find the products good and buy them, but still not completely agree with some. I’m here because I like IKEA products and want to exchange ideas about them

I can fully agree with that, especially since critical voices can also highlight potential improvements. That basically says it all, especially in light of this choice of words:

[...] even with the biggest idiot and thug [...]

First of all, thanks to Maverick for putting an end to the madness and thanks to Ikeaner for finding the right words. I am only speaking up here again because I was asked to.

It is really a shame how discussions can drift off course and it is even more regrettable that there are people who are never satisfied. You can twist and turn it, explain, and show alternatives, it simply is not enough. No, it must continue to be beaten on.

How you think and how you behave here in the forum, Pari, is shown to me by the parts you quoted from Ikeaner's post. Especially the idiot - thug - thing hit you to the core. Interesting that you put on that shoe and react directly to it. And what do you say about the rest of the post? Hm...

To take up Ikeaner's words once again, we are here in an "Ikea fans" forum. It is not about Ikea as a company but about private people who like Ikea and/or work there and offer their help and experience for problem-solving in their spare time. Of course, this forum is also a discussion forum where discussions are meant to happen and criticism is explicitly welcome! However, we are talking about constructive criticism and not about senseless whining and nagging. I always ask myself what goal is to be pursued with that?

Therefore, Pari, you are welcome here if you reconsider the way you write. If you are still of the opinion that you did everything right and want to continue to stir up conflicts and trouble, then please look for another portal, this one is unfortunately not the right place for you.

And now to bring this to a close. I like being here and I like helping and I am very happy when someone thanks me because they were helped and I am also pleased in return when I was able to be helped or get information that I did not know before. However, when more and more members appear who are uncompromising and only satisfied when situations escalate, the forum will soon become very, very lonely. Thank God we are only talking about a small part of those who are actually like that and usually disappear again as they came.

Therefore, my tried-and-true abbreviation: NfU

Well.

Dear Nayla,

Since you addressed me directly, I would like to say something about it. It was not my intention, and certainly is not, to cause conflicts or trouble.

I like Ikea, many of my furniture pieces are from there, and that is why I also wanted to buy my kitchen there. So I do consider myself a fan, and especially then, one should be (allowed to be) able to express if one is dissatisfied with something or finds it not so great. Who else should you talk to about it, if not with other fans?

And I did not find the points I criticized pointless. Don’t worry, I don’t want to reopen the content. Just so much: I admit without any problem that things got a little out of hand on my part last night:

Ikea-ners "You’re the only one who believes that!" in the context of the fact that just last week a salesperson enthusiastically told me that you can exchange the fronts" came across to me as a provocation. Sort of like: "We know better, but we’re not telling you." However, to avoid any misunderstanding, I expressly do NOT want to imply that the salesperson I dealt with already has any information.

Because of that, and because buying a kitchen is an emotional thing where you plan for a long time, browse catalogs, etc., my response in that regard was "harsher" than appropriate. I’m happy to apologize for that.

Only I would like to ask you to try to see it from the "other side" as well: Due to the previous posts about having seen pictures, article numbers, and "I’ve already said too much," it was not so far-fetched to understand the sentence "you believe that" as meaning that internally everyone already has all the info and is annoyed about it.

Ultimately – to close the topic – I will do exactly what you recommended: wait until he provides more reliable information.

As for the expressions I quoted from Ikeaners: neither did they hit me to the core, nor did I feel addressed. I only wanted to express that I don’t believe such things are "the right words" when it comes to dealing with each other in a forum. I don’t want to deny that I myself have read posts here where I found the criticism expressed neither plausible in content nor was the manner of presentation appropriate. But reacting to that with curse words is not necessarily something I consider sensible.

In this sense, no hard feelings and have a nice start into the weekend!

Ikea-ners "But that's something only you would believe!" in the context of the fact that just last week a salesperson was enthusiastically telling me that the fronts can be exchanged" came across to me as a provocation. Kind of like: "We know better, but won't tell you."

...by the way, you completely misunderstood my post!