Cooling with heat pump via underfloor heating?

  • Erstellt am 2021-04-23 11:50:35

Acof1978

2021-08-16 10:07:36
  • #1


Can the ventilation system not cool the air a bit? As far as I have read, it is possible. Also, the underfloor heating would be running since it is supposed to cool. It is clear that temperature control via underfloor heating is nowhere near as effective as air conditioning. But it’s enough if you go from outside into a room cooled by 4 degrees. That already gains a lot for little money.
 

RotorMotor

2021-08-16 10:24:30
  • #2

It may not have much to do with the actual topic, but:

The heat input through the central controlled residential ventilation with activated heat recovery (HRV) is minimal!

With 23°C inside and 30°C outside, the delta T is 7 degrees.
At 100 m³/h, this results in a maximum of only 250W if the by-pass is active.
With heat recovery at 90% efficiency, only 25W remain.
This is really negligible.

So, do not turn off the central controlled residential ventilation even in summer and activate the by-pass only at night!
 

kati1337

2021-08-16 10:26:39
  • #3


We did not buy the cooling function of the system because I had read in online research beforehand that it can only achieve 2-3 degrees (if things go well), and cold air does not rise either -> cold feet problem. There are probably systems where ventilation is combined with air conditioning. We have a normal, central ventilation system. It has no cooling function. The heat pump’s cooling function (if we had bought it) would only cool via underfloor heating.

When we built the house, I considered the air conditioning more of a luxury. Now, as the first summer in the house is running, I am really glad to have it. Because it is very difficult to keep the heat out in such a well-insulated, new house. Just the sunlight through the windows heats the house up. Either you shade so consistently that you could live in a cave, or you let the light in. The amount of heating energy that 1 meter of window front with sunlight produces is not to be underestimated, I massively underestimated this during construction. And once you have the warm air inside the house in summer, it becomes difficult to get it out again without air conditioning. The only idea I have is not to ventilate during the day and then try to get the warm air out at night by ventilating. But in a summer like we had in 2019, it was often still around 30°C at night. That is very uncomfortable to sleep in at those temperatures.

In May, I once managed to have 28°C in the house even though the outside temperature was only 18°C. I had not shaded the windows and the ventilation system was running without the summer cassette, meaning with 98% heat recovery. Over several sunny days, it got warmer and warmer in the house. We only got rid of the warm air again when we manually set the ventilation system to summer mode (some exhaust air during the day, higher ventilation level at night) and already cooled down again in May with the air conditioning units.
 

kati1337

2021-08-16 10:28:49
  • #4

These are calculated values. In practice, we have experienced that you cannot maintain 23 inside the house without air conditioning if it is 30 outside. Unless you shade yourself like in a bunker. In practice, it also gets warmer inside the house, and the problem then lies in the fact that you can no longer lower the temperature with heat recovery.
 

Acof1978

2021-08-16 10:32:55
  • #5


You have the problem with tempering the underfloor heating and cold feet. I have it with the air conditioning and the same problem as in the car, especially with our daughter. Colds, etc. Since none of us ever walk barefoot in the house, but always wear slippers, the problem of cold feet does not occur with us.

But it will all show in practice :-)
 

Mycraft

2021-08-16 10:39:09
  • #6

You mainly need it in winter. In summer it is useless.


Yes, but only if there is an imbalance. If moist air is already coming in, then it can’t regulate anything. Moist air out -> through the moist enthalpy exchanger -> new moist air in. Result in summer -> moist air everywhere. In winter, no, because then there is a temperature difference and the humidity can be regulated and somewhat raised by the exchanger so that it doesn’t drop to unexpected lows inside the house.


No, that is just marketing nonsense. Sure, you get some slightly cooler air, but the amounts are negligible. RotorMotor explained it quite well.


No, that is wishful thinking. Underfloor heating cooling only gives you a slightly cooler floor but hardly cooler air inside the house and above all the humidity remains. 4 degrees is unrealistic, unless the house is in the woods and hardly gets any sun.
 

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