Ceiling substructure - battens and hammer-in dowels

Hello,

I am new here in the forum, but I have been reading along for some time and have a few questions about the upcoming topic. Maybe someone has an answer for me ready.

I am currently renovating our hallway and want to suspend the ceiling. My procedure for drilling and fastening is the classic one: mark holes, drill holes, vacuum, insert anchors, pre-drill battens, and fasten with screws. As some may already know, these are countless steps of work that I want to save myself. Therefore, I am now using hammer anchors, with which I have no experience.

I want to install a substructure of 30x50/40x60mm as counter battens and 30x50mm as supporting battens for drywall on the ceiling. I have a few questions about the counter battens and their fastening:

1. What is the difference between hammer/nail anchors and frame anchors?

2. I wanted to attach the counter battens with hammer anchors. How deep do the anchors actually need to be set in the concrete ceiling? I usually assume a rough depth of 50 to 60mm. Is that sufficient at all, or do they need to go deeper into the concrete ceiling? Are there perhaps guidelines to look up here?

3. How long and thick should the hammer anchors be if I use the counter battens in the size 40x60mm?

4. If I drill the holes in the ceiling directly through the battens, which drill bit is best to use? Masonry drill bits probably aren’t the right choice for this, right?

I would be very grateful for a few tips and information.

Kind regards
L

Wedge anchors have no place in ceilings. The easiest way is to attach small brackets in a grid on the ceiling, using a [for reinforced concrete ceilings approved anchor] and proper screws. This way, you have some leeway and can align and attach the battens quite easily.

I personally wouldn't use wooden slats, way too much work to properly align those usually crooked things. Just take a look at the relevant installation manuals of the well-known drywall suppliers (Knauf, Rigips, Siniat etc.). Especially in the hallway with the typically very small spans, you basically don't need to drill into the ceiling.

For what reason do [Schlagdübel] have no place in the ceiling? They are nothing other than normal anchors with screws. Only that the [Schlagdübel] achieve their strength through their surface area.

Our hallway is quite large in terms of area. The system from Knauf would be an alternative, I hadn't thought of that at all. However, these also need to be screwed through.

There may be a few special products that you usually cannot buy as a private person or are incredibly expensive. What you can get at the hardware store is mainly designed for shear loads, such as walls or floors. The additional effort for anchors/screws is about 10 seconds per hole and you can get numerous products for this in any hardware store.