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2020-06-08 10:17:11
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Sought/Wanted:
- Semi-detached house (dream)
- Semi-detached house with granny flat
- Single-family house with granny flat
- Two-family house
Budget including land calculated:
400,000 (if okay)
500,000 (if the house is perfect & relatively new)
600,000 (if it’s a semi-detached house)
So, in short: buy a house where you also have rental income so that costs are not too high.
Background:
We have been searching for quite some time. But we just can’t find anything that really fits, especially because prices are so extremely high. It’s also not that easy. My girlfriend is from Worms and I’m from Stuttgart. We want to have a home somewhere between Mannheim & Karlsruhe/Pforzheim or between Mannheim & Heilbronn. Along the highway basically. So near Mannheim, Speyer, Karlsruhe, Bruchsal, Sinsheim, Heilbronn. Smaller “cities,” but it doesn’t have to be in the city. Can also be 10 minutes away or so. So far, we have found fairly well-located houses in the Speyer Phillipsburg Germersheim area. That’s on the border of BW to RLP. Whether those are inexpensive, I can’t say. I usually compare the price per sqm on homeday.
A dream would be to build a semi-detached house with 2 semi-detached units each about 110-130 sqm. One to live in ourselves, the other rented out and sold eventually.
First, we looked at prefabricated houses (wood). For example, we had an offer of 550,000 all inclusive (including land) for the complete semi-detached house. After consulting with a few people, it turned out that wooden prefabricated houses creak because the wood “lives.” We have no desire for that at all. So that’s out. Also, the offer included 170,000 for interior finishing, where colleagues said it wouldn’t cost 100,000€, but okay.
I contacted many solid construction companies but many didn’t answer at all. Two of them quoted 300,000 per semi-detached unit if you want a semi-detached house. + land so about 750,000-800,000. That’s way beyond our budget. No idea if there are still solid construction companies here that could manage our 600,000 including land (about 150,000 of that) budget. We also considered just having the shell built for XXX.XXX € and managing the interior finishing ourselves. But no company offers just the shell; mostly either almost finished or turnkey. We know many people who could do windows/doors, floors, sanitary, electrical, plastering. But unfortunately, no one does the shell. Do you think that would be feasible?
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Otherwise, we went back to searching for houses:
We find semi-detached houses quite nice. Especially with the possibility of a granny flat.
We have now found one or two near Speyer:
••• One semi-detached house (Offenbach / Pfalz) was built in 1994 and costs 500,000 (agent). It’s huge, 250 sqm (9 rooms) and 450 sqm land with a double garage & photovoltaics for water & sauna. The granny flat is in the basement approx. 60 sqm (2-3 rooms including shower & toilet) but no kitchen yet. Access via garden or through the house possible. Upstairs are 4 rooms + attic finished but not counted. One room approx. 15 sqm.
On the ground floor, there's an office + large living-dining area with kitchen, all Miele, approx. 20,000€ value. Covered terrace and large garden.
However, some moisture has appeared on the wall in the granny flat basement. Allegedly because it was closed up too early. Also, there are moisture problems in the Hebel room because no ventilation was installed. According to the agent. The equipment is almost upscale but somewhat older of course since it was built in 1994. Knee wall 1.60 or 1.80 m.
••• Another semi-detached house was built in 2018 in Lingenfeld. Costs 520,000 private sale. Has about 160 sqm living space plus terrace 17 sqm approx. = 177 sqm. 250 sqm land, small garden.
Open living-dining area including small nice kitchen. Shower and guest toilet on ground floor. Upstairs are 3 rooms and bathroom/shower. Below is a 2-room granny flat in the basement approx. 48 sqm including kitchen and shower/WC. Separate entrance right at the house entrance, stairs down separated stairwell. Hip roof. Knee wall 2 m. With a garage with electric charging possibility. All very new. Much smaller, but everything is NEW. Equipment also upscale. I haven’t talked about the price yet. But I think you can negotiate down to 500,000 here. Or even less in a private sale?
So now my question. Is it better to buy the new one? Better to buy the older one because it is much bigger but the location is not optimal and possibly needs a lot of work?
OR ... would it be sensible to build ourselves for this price? Possibly a semi-detached house that looks exactly like the new house mentioned above? Provided it can be done for the price. At least the land would cost 50,000-100,000 for the semi-detached unit. And then you’d have about 300,000-350,000 left for the house construction.
OR commission the shell and build a semi-detached house and manage the interior finishing yourself?
So many questions. There are 1000 options but which makes the most sense??
I hope I’m not overwhelming you.
- Semi-detached house (dream)
- Semi-detached house with granny flat
- Single-family house with granny flat
- Two-family house
Budget including land calculated:
400,000 (if okay)
500,000 (if the house is perfect & relatively new)
600,000 (if it’s a semi-detached house)
So, in short: buy a house where you also have rental income so that costs are not too high.
Background:
We have been searching for quite some time. But we just can’t find anything that really fits, especially because prices are so extremely high. It’s also not that easy. My girlfriend is from Worms and I’m from Stuttgart. We want to have a home somewhere between Mannheim & Karlsruhe/Pforzheim or between Mannheim & Heilbronn. Along the highway basically. So near Mannheim, Speyer, Karlsruhe, Bruchsal, Sinsheim, Heilbronn. Smaller “cities,” but it doesn’t have to be in the city. Can also be 10 minutes away or so. So far, we have found fairly well-located houses in the Speyer Phillipsburg Germersheim area. That’s on the border of BW to RLP. Whether those are inexpensive, I can’t say. I usually compare the price per sqm on homeday.
A dream would be to build a semi-detached house with 2 semi-detached units each about 110-130 sqm. One to live in ourselves, the other rented out and sold eventually.
First, we looked at prefabricated houses (wood). For example, we had an offer of 550,000 all inclusive (including land) for the complete semi-detached house. After consulting with a few people, it turned out that wooden prefabricated houses creak because the wood “lives.” We have no desire for that at all. So that’s out. Also, the offer included 170,000 for interior finishing, where colleagues said it wouldn’t cost 100,000€, but okay.
I contacted many solid construction companies but many didn’t answer at all. Two of them quoted 300,000 per semi-detached unit if you want a semi-detached house. + land so about 750,000-800,000. That’s way beyond our budget. No idea if there are still solid construction companies here that could manage our 600,000 including land (about 150,000 of that) budget. We also considered just having the shell built for XXX.XXX € and managing the interior finishing ourselves. But no company offers just the shell; mostly either almost finished or turnkey. We know many people who could do windows/doors, floors, sanitary, electrical, plastering. But unfortunately, no one does the shell. Do you think that would be feasible?
•••••••••••••••••••••••
Otherwise, we went back to searching for houses:
We find semi-detached houses quite nice. Especially with the possibility of a granny flat.
We have now found one or two near Speyer:
••• One semi-detached house (Offenbach / Pfalz) was built in 1994 and costs 500,000 (agent). It’s huge, 250 sqm (9 rooms) and 450 sqm land with a double garage & photovoltaics for water & sauna. The granny flat is in the basement approx. 60 sqm (2-3 rooms including shower & toilet) but no kitchen yet. Access via garden or through the house possible. Upstairs are 4 rooms + attic finished but not counted. One room approx. 15 sqm.
On the ground floor, there's an office + large living-dining area with kitchen, all Miele, approx. 20,000€ value. Covered terrace and large garden.
However, some moisture has appeared on the wall in the granny flat basement. Allegedly because it was closed up too early. Also, there are moisture problems in the Hebel room because no ventilation was installed. According to the agent. The equipment is almost upscale but somewhat older of course since it was built in 1994. Knee wall 1.60 or 1.80 m.
••• Another semi-detached house was built in 2018 in Lingenfeld. Costs 520,000 private sale. Has about 160 sqm living space plus terrace 17 sqm approx. = 177 sqm. 250 sqm land, small garden.
Open living-dining area including small nice kitchen. Shower and guest toilet on ground floor. Upstairs are 3 rooms and bathroom/shower. Below is a 2-room granny flat in the basement approx. 48 sqm including kitchen and shower/WC. Separate entrance right at the house entrance, stairs down separated stairwell. Hip roof. Knee wall 2 m. With a garage with electric charging possibility. All very new. Much smaller, but everything is NEW. Equipment also upscale. I haven’t talked about the price yet. But I think you can negotiate down to 500,000 here. Or even less in a private sale?
So now my question. Is it better to buy the new one? Better to buy the older one because it is much bigger but the location is not optimal and possibly needs a lot of work?
OR ... would it be sensible to build ourselves for this price? Possibly a semi-detached house that looks exactly like the new house mentioned above? Provided it can be done for the price. At least the land would cost 50,000-100,000 for the semi-detached unit. And then you’d have about 300,000-350,000 left for the house construction.
OR commission the shell and build a semi-detached house and manage the interior finishing yourself?
So many questions. There are 1000 options but which makes the most sense??
I hope I’m not overwhelming you.