Aluminum windows outside and inside - so fully aluminum

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-29 22:42:32

i_b_n_a_n

2022-07-30 03:33:29
  • #1
In the past, aluminum window frames were made from a single piece. Since aluminum is a material that conducts heat more strongly, earlier aluminum windows formed a thermal bridge that caused corresponding heat losses. Therefore, today aluminum window frames are usually assembled from an outer and an inner shell to improve the thermal insulation of the frame (cf. Uf-value of window frames). Such thermally separated aluminum window profiles have insulating properties that can be compared with those of wood or plastic. The insulating effect results from the special double-shell construction of the aluminum window profiles, which are also equipped with multiple chambers that are filled with air or, even better, insulation material. Care is also taken to ensure that the profiles are designed so that thermal barriers (so-called insulation cores) are present between the outer shell and the interior shell, so that unwanted thermal bridges do not occur through which heat is lost uncontrollably. Aluminum profiles designed in this way achieve good to very good insulating properties.

And: didn’t you consult about the advantages and disadvantages beforehand for such an expensive decision (aluminum windows)?

Nevertheless, aluminum windows "feel" colder because heat is withdrawn from the body faster (transferred to the window). The "feeling" does not require direct contact with the surface. Perhaps a general increase in room temperature and thus an increase in the temperature of the window components would help? Have you ever measured the surface temperature? What is it?

And yes, compressible tape is actually better (in my opinion), of course, it always depends on the installer whether it turns out well.
 

profil65

2022-07-30 19:52:23
  • #2

Everything stated here is correct!
Additionally: If modern aluminum window frames are installed incorrectly (fastened), it can lead to a "bridging of the thermal separation of the profile" when installed in the insulation layer — see page 222, Figure 7.9, "Guide for Planning and Execution of Window Installation..." March 2020 edition.
 

profil65

2022-07-30 20:05:38
  • #3
Usually, (only) plastic windows have steel reinforcement. However, there are so many systems on the market with the most diverse material combinations that I no longer consider steel reinforcement in wood or aluminum windows impossible.
 

TmMike_2

2022-07-31 18:58:27
  • #4
What is the wall construction of the exterior walls, so that there is no significant thermal bridge in the area of the window reveal. I would actually check this again, are there photos before/after window installation? What temperature does the profile have, for example, under the lintel vs. on the side?
 

Rene_062

2022-08-03 14:49:09
  • #5
Hello, thank you again for the answers.

Measuring temperatures now is pointless.

In winter, the window frames (the panes feel much warmer) are cold.
If I increase the temperature of the underfloor heating, I rather get the effect that there are descending air currents at the window.
In the bathroom next to the toilet, it's already strange when you have the feeling that there is a draft. But there is no draft; it is clearly the cold frames.
I am of the opinion that the frame temperatures were always about 6 - 7 degrees C colder than the room temperature (from about 0 degrees continuing into the minus range outside temperature). The dew point has not yet been reached, and it is neither clammy nor damp here.
That is how I measured it, and I am writing now from memory.

The construction of the wall is as follows (from inside to outside):

1 cm drywall
2.4 cm rough timber boarding
24 cm timber stud frame with cellulose
1.6 cm DWD board
4 cm air
11.5 cm masonry

The walls are warm. In the window reveals it gets colder towards the frames.
 

profil65

2022-08-03 18:30:25
  • #6
Data:

    [*]House built in 2018
    [*]Aluminum windows with triple glazing
    [*]Underfloor heating
    [*]Wall construction
    [*]No problem in summer

Crystal ball suspects:

    [*]Window color anthracite gray.
    [*]External sun protection available
    [*]Windows installed in the outer third of the wall in the insulation layer in front of the "wall."
    [*]Deep window reveals on the room side without "extra" heating loops/heating circuit in front of the windows.
    [*]Modern aluminum windows with today’s average Uf values.

Crystal ball says:

    [*]Dark aluminum window frames can become extremely hot on the outside in summer without sun protection, especially on the east and west sides of the building. > 80°C is possible.
    [*]Aluminum window frames with sun protection in front of glass and frame also become warm in the sun depending on the outside temperature, exceeding 40°C.
    [*]If the large summer temperature differences do not transfer to the inner thermally separated shell of the windows, the installation and the window are faultless = no extraordinary thermal bridges are present.
    [*]In winter/... highly insulated buildings with low-temperature underfloor heating and deep window reveals, a poorer Uf value of the window frame compared to the triple glazing and wall insulation has a corresponding effect on the frame. Especially with underfloor heating.
 

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