Underfloor heating in the children's room? Some rooms planned without underfloor heating? Air-to-water heat pump removed?

  • Erstellt am 2019-12-18 21:20:06

ludwig88sta

2019-12-18 21:20:06
  • #1
Hello everyone,

I'll give a brief introduction:
we are planning a 2-story single-family house about 180 sqm with a basement, built with Poroton 42cm bricks and as much photovoltaic as possible on the roof. Since we want to insulate well not only the bricks but also the windows, foundation slab, basement, etc., we might have decided on an air-water heat pump (according to the motto "a well-insulated house doesn't need a giant heating system").

Now we are wondering whether we should even install underfloor heating in the bedroom or the children's rooms, because it is supposed to be so slow-reacting and in summer it can cause unpleasant temperatures, which in turn means poor sleep. Also, you need different temperatures in sleeping rooms than in living areas. Of course, the children's room is a bit tricky (being used for staying in the afternoon and sleeping at night).

We want to install the underfloor heating in the kitchen/dining area, living room, and of course in the bathroom. Is it possible to plan two different supply temperatures (a warmer one for kitchen/dining, living room, bathroom, office, and a cooler one for bedroom, children's rooms) for the underfloor heating? What do you do with rooms like the hobby or guest room? My wife often makes wreaths or tinkers in the hobby room and it definitely doesn't need to be as warm as the living room. And the guest room, we actually don’t want to heat it during the entire heating period, only when guests are actually there.

But now I have read that underfloor heating works best when water is continuously pumped through it? What is recommended for guest rooms or hobby rooms? The fastest way to heat those is with classic radiators rather than underfloor heating, right? But from what I have read so far, an air-water heat pump is not very suitable for that. Should we then rather decide on a gas boiler (connection is available on the property)? Or is it also possible with an air-water heat pump to run different underfloor heating supply temperature circuits (1) living areas 2) sleeping areas 3) rooms heated only when needed)?

The following sentence made me somewhat doubt:

(Source: German Association for Surface Heating e.V.)

I understand this as meaning that the whole house should be heated with one supply temperature and ideally everything via underfloor heating. Of course with multiple circuits, because the individual circuits should not exceed 80/100 m length (pressure loss, etc.). But all at the same supply temperature, otherwise I would have individual room control again, which should not be installed.

I hope you can shed some light on this.

Underfloor heating is actually very important to my wife, so we won’t be able to avoid it. The question is what we do with the hobby room, which needs to be heated much less (or also bedroom and children's rooms?), or the guest room, which needs to be heated much less frequently. Is that even possible with underfloor heating via air-water heat pump?

Have a nice evening and a pleasant pre-Christmas season in the next few days, everyone.

I am very impressed by the many helpful people here who support future home builders like me, who don’t simply go to a general contractor and say "Do it and give me the key sometime, I’m not interested in the background," and therefore want to read into every one of the many topics of the individual trades. But because of no previous experience, feel overwhelmed and inundated by the vast amount of information on the internet.
 

matte

2019-12-18 21:31:14
  • #2
Underfloor heating everywhere, unless you are planning a [Passivhaus]. In summer, the heating is off anyway.
 

WingVII

2019-12-18 21:33:13
  • #3
Lol sorry, but with 180sqm and a basement, I wouldn't skimp on underfloor heating. Install underfloor heating everywhere, including in the children's room and hobby and guest rooms. An air-to-water heat pump basically doesn't work with radiators. In the bathroom, you can equip the radiators (towel warmer) with heating cartridges if you're unsure. Individual room control is required according to the Energy Saving Ordinance, but it makes no sense with a hydraulic balancing and is practically unnecessary.
 

haydee

2019-12-18 21:38:02
  • #4
For the control with underfloor heating, others can explain that to you.

Modern houses are not designed to have large temperature differences in the room. Modern heating systems operate with low flow temperatures. It is not like in older houses where the heating is turned up full, the place gets warm, the radiator is hot. In one room you can do a steam infusion, in the next room penguins live. That is no longer the case. Heating systems maintain the desired temperature in the building envelope, therefore they are "slow." They are not designed to heat a room by 8 degrees in a short time. In summer, the underfloor heating does not run.
 

ludwig88sta

2019-12-18 21:46:12
  • #5
Alright, then I'll always use the underfloor heating, but how do I regulate different temperatures? No one wants the living area's temperature in the bedroom too, right?

Is it possible to have different flow temperature circuits with an air-water heat pump?

yes, I am aware of these facts. That's why the hobby room probably won't cool down as much as in old houses where the heating wasn't on for days. But we don't have to heat it every day like the living room either. Especially since we need a lower temperature there than in the living/dining area (because of the wreaths etc.). The same applies to the bedrooms. I can't sleep well at temperatures > 18/19°C in the bedroom. How is it supposed to work if I go from the living room, where it is hopefully a bit warmer than 20°C, up to the bedroom, where the same underfloor heating doesn't also mean 21-22°C?
 

boxandroof

2019-12-18 21:50:05
  • #6
Have the underfloor heating planned based on a room-specific heat load calculation at the lowest possible supply temperature. All loops around 80 meters, max 100. Avoid mini loops. Start early as soon as the floor plan is final. Specify your own room temperature. Have the underfloor heating in the main bathroom installed in the wall as well.

This is pretty much the most important thing for efficient operation of the heat pump and errors cannot be corrected later. Be prepared to intervene multiple times and request corrections to the planning. Pay accordingly for the planning.

Cover everything, including hallways, hobby rooms, utility rooms, and tiled showers.
 

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