Simon-L
2024-01-06 03:09:38
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Good evening!
After living in our new house for almost 2 years now without any notable problems or defects, we had to unexpectedly discover a water damage in the basement the day before yesterday.
It "started" with a small, wet spot by the heating room door, meanwhile we know that water must be standing on the entire floor slab, i.e. under the screed, and it has already slightly risen into almost all walls.
I will try to describe the situation as compactly as possible but as detailed as necessary.
First, a few bullet points:
- Soil sample from summer 2020 showed that there is no groundwater or pressing water present
- The floor slab was made of 25cm waterproof concrete. Since it is a residential basement, the entire floor was additionally welded shut from the inside
- Because the basement is below the sewer level, we have a lifting system that pumps wastewater from a small bathroom (not in use) as well as from the basement hallway
- The drainage pipes lie under the floor slab and are led through it. The same applies to the vent pipe of the lifting system
- This consists of a sealed chamber, also under the slab, as well as a second chamber accessible from above. Normally there may be no water standing here at all, since everything is fed into and pumped out of the lower chamber. Ultimately, for us, it is purely an inspection opening
- The said bathroom in the basement is still in a shell condition because it is currently not needed. The shower area, roughly 1x1m, is completely free so that one can see the floor slab or tar paper
- Furthermore, the heating room and hallway are not yet tiled, so the screed is visible
Now, briefly about the sequence:
- After the spot on the screed was noticed and it was clear that it was not coming "from above," I opened the lifting system, which was half full of water. It was dripping in at the side. After we ruled out that it was a defective pipe (underfloor heating and wastewater from the descaling system run nearby), we found that water must be inside the screed or the insulation layers
- We then noticed that moisture had already risen on ALL walls, whether interior or exterior walls, but always only slightly above the screed
- Bad enough, but frightening was the view into the nonexistent shower of the bathroom, where the water stood nearly 10cm high
- We pumped everything out, initially into buckets, removing at least 150-180 liters of water
- More water kept coming; at the beginning, you could really see it flowing, fortunately it has decreased now. At this point, I think we are talking about approximately 250 liters of pumped water
- Both the plumbing company and the shell builder were on site, but so far we have not found the fault. A leak detector is supposed to come, but only at the beginning of the week
To exclude:
- Tap water -> The water pipes in the basement apartment are not connected at all and otherwise, the meter does not move if no consumer is running. Other water pipes are visible in the heating room and are not leaking etc.
- Heating water -> Probably not that much on the underfloor heating pipes in the whole house and the system keeps its pressure perfectly
- Lifting system -> Works perfectly. Pumps reliably at about half fill level and would sound the alarm and log everything precisely in case of an incident. There are no faulty entries in the last months
- Defective wastewater pipes -> We suddenly introduced a large amount of water and also switched off the lifting system and let the pipe system fill up. This took a really long time, but once it was full, we watched the level through a wastewater pipe for a while and it did not drop. So no leak
- Sewer backup -> Would already have to be noticed elsewhere and the water does not smell or anything
Unfortunately, it couldn’t be made much shorter, sorry...
In my opinion, slowly only groundwater remains, which presses up from below through the floor slab, which actually should not happen due to the double sealing.
Since the walls themselves are not wet, except just at floor level, I consider a defect at that spot unlikely.
After reviewing some pictures from the construction phase, we noticed that the pipes run through, except one, apparently have no sealing. On one, you see a kind of black collar, on the other two nothing is visible.
Do you think it is conceivable that water pushes up past the pipes? And can this really lead to such masses of water and the distribution over the entire floor slab? Since all walls are wet, the water must have reached everywhere.
Of course, it is also questionable whether all the water really stood ON the floor slab or if we brought along incoming water from the soil while pumping. Currently impossible to say.
By the way, the lifting system also has a rubber collar, which is inside the concrete. However, a corner was cut out here for the vent pipe.
Of course, we know that it has rained incredibly much in recent months and the groundwater has certainly risen strongly as a result. But as a layman, I just cannot explain this situation. Do 250 liters of water fit between the floor slab and screed?! Simply insane.
Thanks in advance for reading and possible tips. Best regards!
After living in our new house for almost 2 years now without any notable problems or defects, we had to unexpectedly discover a water damage in the basement the day before yesterday.
It "started" with a small, wet spot by the heating room door, meanwhile we know that water must be standing on the entire floor slab, i.e. under the screed, and it has already slightly risen into almost all walls.
I will try to describe the situation as compactly as possible but as detailed as necessary.
First, a few bullet points:
- Soil sample from summer 2020 showed that there is no groundwater or pressing water present
- The floor slab was made of 25cm waterproof concrete. Since it is a residential basement, the entire floor was additionally welded shut from the inside
- Because the basement is below the sewer level, we have a lifting system that pumps wastewater from a small bathroom (not in use) as well as from the basement hallway
- The drainage pipes lie under the floor slab and are led through it. The same applies to the vent pipe of the lifting system
- This consists of a sealed chamber, also under the slab, as well as a second chamber accessible from above. Normally there may be no water standing here at all, since everything is fed into and pumped out of the lower chamber. Ultimately, for us, it is purely an inspection opening
- The said bathroom in the basement is still in a shell condition because it is currently not needed. The shower area, roughly 1x1m, is completely free so that one can see the floor slab or tar paper
- Furthermore, the heating room and hallway are not yet tiled, so the screed is visible
Now, briefly about the sequence:
- After the spot on the screed was noticed and it was clear that it was not coming "from above," I opened the lifting system, which was half full of water. It was dripping in at the side. After we ruled out that it was a defective pipe (underfloor heating and wastewater from the descaling system run nearby), we found that water must be inside the screed or the insulation layers
- We then noticed that moisture had already risen on ALL walls, whether interior or exterior walls, but always only slightly above the screed
- Bad enough, but frightening was the view into the nonexistent shower of the bathroom, where the water stood nearly 10cm high
- We pumped everything out, initially into buckets, removing at least 150-180 liters of water
- More water kept coming; at the beginning, you could really see it flowing, fortunately it has decreased now. At this point, I think we are talking about approximately 250 liters of pumped water
- Both the plumbing company and the shell builder were on site, but so far we have not found the fault. A leak detector is supposed to come, but only at the beginning of the week
To exclude:
- Tap water -> The water pipes in the basement apartment are not connected at all and otherwise, the meter does not move if no consumer is running. Other water pipes are visible in the heating room and are not leaking etc.
- Heating water -> Probably not that much on the underfloor heating pipes in the whole house and the system keeps its pressure perfectly
- Lifting system -> Works perfectly. Pumps reliably at about half fill level and would sound the alarm and log everything precisely in case of an incident. There are no faulty entries in the last months
- Defective wastewater pipes -> We suddenly introduced a large amount of water and also switched off the lifting system and let the pipe system fill up. This took a really long time, but once it was full, we watched the level through a wastewater pipe for a while and it did not drop. So no leak
- Sewer backup -> Would already have to be noticed elsewhere and the water does not smell or anything
Unfortunately, it couldn’t be made much shorter, sorry...
In my opinion, slowly only groundwater remains, which presses up from below through the floor slab, which actually should not happen due to the double sealing.
Since the walls themselves are not wet, except just at floor level, I consider a defect at that spot unlikely.
After reviewing some pictures from the construction phase, we noticed that the pipes run through, except one, apparently have no sealing. On one, you see a kind of black collar, on the other two nothing is visible.
Do you think it is conceivable that water pushes up past the pipes? And can this really lead to such masses of water and the distribution over the entire floor slab? Since all walls are wet, the water must have reached everywhere.
Of course, it is also questionable whether all the water really stood ON the floor slab or if we brought along incoming water from the soil while pumping. Currently impossible to say.
By the way, the lifting system also has a rubber collar, which is inside the concrete. However, a corner was cut out here for the vent pipe.
Of course, we know that it has rained incredibly much in recent months and the groundwater has certainly risen strongly as a result. But as a layman, I just cannot explain this situation. Do 250 liters of water fit between the floor slab and screed?! Simply insane.
Thanks in advance for reading and possible tips. Best regards!